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jay behrensMike, it goes down into the red about 1/8". It is no where near as noticable as in the scan. There is no tape left there, just residue. This card comes from a collection that I am working on buying that has this same residue on the back. It looks more like the residue from a stamp hinge than a piece of tape.
t206col, you don't have to worry about ever buying a card from graded Ex/NM or any other grade. This becuase I do not state grades of cards I sell. I provide large, hi-res scans with my auctions and note any flaws the card might have that doesn't appear on the scan.
The thing that is most disconcerting about the grade of Manion card is that when I putting together my N2 set, I submitted a card with glue on the back that looked like grill marks to see what grade it would get even though the corners were mint and had no creases. This card came back a 40. I got to see Andy Baran's n162 Ewing that has the same glue marks on the back and it also got a 40. Did this card get a 20 becuase it's on the front? I've looked at this card again and I cannot find any hidden flaws.
The big question with Clark is, SGC says a card with this centering can get no higher grade than 84. Does this mean that they start 84 and then start deducting from there? If so, that is fine. This means the card would have graded 86 with normal centering if you start from 98 and work down or 88 if you start at 100.
The only problem with deducting grades starting at 84 is that grade drops are much more drastic starting at 84 than 100 or 98. Starting at 100, a card dropping 4 grades goes from Pristine (their term) to NM/Mint. Starting at 84, you go from NM to VG. If this is how they are doing it, and seems to make sense, then this very flawed since the speration of grades after NM is huge and gets even worse the more you move down the scale.
SGC has 100 point scale, why not make use of it?
Jay
My place is full of valuable, worthless junk.