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Scott ElkinsCroft's Cocoa cards, Mello Mints, G&B Gum, Colgan's Chips, Ju-Ju Drums, etc. etc.????? B/C they were issued with "Goodies" (or cut from candy boxes or what not). These issues (and others) fit into the accepted "Caramel" or "E" card designation. They CERTAINLY are not tobacco issues. To put it simply - A card does NOT have to be issued with CARAMEL to be considered a CARAMEL card!
Also, near the end of your article regarding these "cards" on page 70 of your book, you state: "Based on the foregoing, I am designating these as uncatalogued E cards.". YOU stated these are "E" cards. Every true vintage collector knows "E" cards are commonly referred to as "Caramel" cards (even though some were issued with gum or other "Goodies").
YES, I have stated this as a "Caramel Card". However, Adam, YOU did first in your boxing card book! I am only going by what Ben told me and the information I gathered reading your book.
For the record, I would like to state this: Some people might find a reason to bitch and whine about my listing - that is fine (and their right). HOWEVER, I have done more to find out what this card really is and have it slabbed correctly than Scott Forrest when he sold his blank-backed version or Ben when I traded him for this example. I was the one who pulled my eBay auction when I first listed this item and did NOT relist it until the card was slabbed! This cost me over $20 in listing fees alone - not counting the grading fees. I am CERTAINLY not trying to sell a page out of a Spalding guide as a card or mislead anyone in any manner whatsoever! If you don't like how the item is listed, even though I have went above and beyond the call of duty, then don't bid. In fact, you don't even have to look at the item on eBay if it pisses you off to do so. Like I have stated in the past, I am a collector and sell items to buy others I want. If the card does not sell, I will be happy to keep it. I am NOT trying to unload something I don't like or tying to sell it as something that it is not! That is enough ranting for now, as the people who seem to have a problem with the listing are ones that never deal with me any way. The people with whom I deal KNOW that I am honest and would NOT mislead anyone (and these are the people whose opinions matter to me any way)!