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Posted By: jay behrens

Gilbert, take a look at all the pitchers in the history of the game. There are very few (around 25 if I remember right) that averaged 4 more wins than than loses per season for their entire career. Even 3 wins is pretty uncommon. Many of the guys on the list I provided were under that mark, and they are in the HOF.

Even as much as I dislike Koufax, there is no disputing he is a big game pitcher, just MOrris was. And if a guy is a boarderline candidate, being a big game pitcher counts for something.

As for Oliva, he was favorite player growing up. I've read a number of interviews with pitchers that have said that Oliva was the hitter that they most feared. Keep mind that if this is the case, this means that they pitched in AL and may not have pitched in the NL, so would have never faced Mays, Aaron, Clemente, etc. Killebrew could hit for power, but that was about it. Oliva, in his prime, had power, a great average and speed. Killebrew was a one trick pony.

Jay

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