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dananyone who is an advanced pinback button collector knows all about the condition of pins like foxing(staining),cracking to front of celluloid,and the toning that happens to certain sets like diamond gum,and cameo pepsin also i believe that normal surface scratches and the absence of the paper back has nothing to do with the value of the pin with most pins although i would rather have no scratches and the back paper. so we don't need a grading company that deals mainly in cards to tell us what are pins are worth unless we want to create the same situation that exist today with cards going unsold unless they have beengraded and slabed. lets hope the majority of true old pinback collectors will not give into this grading gameso we can buy sell trade wiyhout some so called experts stamp of approval. Dan