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scott brockelmani would rate both in the middle category of difficulty, 1 or 2 of each player has been sold in the last 12 months, however, keep in mind many of these we are discussing are in lower grade F-G, e107's in VG or better are prohibitively scarce. the nicer commons and HOFers bring well above the book price.
as a side note to Hal, i do have some dupe HOFers but am ONLY interested in trading them for HOFers i need, Mathewson and Kelley.
scott