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RhettI don't care how good you are for the 5 years that yu are a great pitcher, you can never be considered one of the "top ten" at that position. Steve, your logic is completely flawed, you use it to suit yourself, but you aren't consistent. How can you say about a player (Kiner) that for a "pure-power hitter" like him that 369 HR's is just not enough to be inducted. But then say that Koufax only had 165 wins, but that shouldn't be considered. I personally have nothing wrong with Koufax being in the Hall of Fame, he belongs there for what he did for his 5 good years (not the 7 bad years). I just have a problem with people throwing him on a list of the 5-10 best pitchers of all-time. He is nowhere close to that.