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TBobMaybe I am missing the boat here but I have several "undersized" cards in my collection which do not appear to have been trimmed based on 25 years of collecting vintage cards yet they won't grade because they are undersized. I hate to beat a dead horse but as Scott B. or any other M116 collector knows, there are tons of Sporting Life cards out there which are NOT trimmed but ARE undersized. The major grading companies, despite what Orlando says, appear to be fixated on the theory that card dimensions less than the stated "book" size equals trimming. That is unless you are one of the "good old boys" who get everything graded without a hint of objection.