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John(z28jd)Bob,its best if you just shake your head is disbelief and move on,dont try to figure it out. I know keep a pillow on my computer desk just in case i accidently read one of you know whos posts(im not gonna mention her name as i dont want to offend her)I was getting bad headaches from pounding my head on the desk.Now i just get dizzy and fall asleep 
id like to thank Mr Lemke for all the help hes been in the past and for the great catalog he puts out,wish i could contribute some images for it