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John(z28jd)I cant see it on my computer Scott,wheres the paper loss? I've seen it go both ways on Old Judges,sometimes theyre leniant sometimes theyre not....I personally dont think they should be leniant because if they grade every OJ with the same standards then the highest grade ones will still be the best just lower grades.If theres no nrmt ones of a certain player people who want the best will pay the higher prices for the EX or EXMT ones.