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Old 01-25-2003, 09:22 AM
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Default Pete Rose in the HOF?

Posted By: Todd (nolemmings)


First, the Yankees won the AL flag in 1926, the first of three in a row.

Second, my point about Cobb and Speaker was that they acted before the Black Sox scandal. Your earlier post stated "Next, I believe that Cobb, Speaker and Wood were all totally aware of what happened in 1919 with the Black Sox, yet placed bets on baseball games". That appears untrue.

Third, I actually said that even the Black Sox would have some argument that their punishment was too harsh and was passed ex post facto... that had they known they could be banished for life they may have acted differently. Same holds true for anyone (including Cobb and Speaker) who acted before Landis took office. Rose has no such excuse. The rule was clearly expressed and has been for decades. I asked whether anyone has escaped punishment since its enactment--no one has provided an example.

Finally, you keep referring to Cobb's influence on Landis, but show no facts. You claim Leonard was afraid to testify, but his career was over by the time this came up, so he had little to lose professionally. Again, Cobb and Speaker were for the most part washed up after the '26 season. It just doesn't wash with me that iron-fisted Judge Landis was "star-struck" by old Tyrus to the point of being afraid to move forward. I remain ready to be educated, however.

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