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Posted By: Bruce Moreland

This is an interesting point about MK, but I'd reach the opposite conclusion. If you can say with authority that a NM/MT card with a mark is VG, then you can value a PSA-8(MK). The same can be said for a PSA-8(ST), if the seller tells you that the stain is wax on the back.

It's not really standard what you should grade these kinds of cards, but if you have your own system, you can at least know how *you'd* grade them, and from there you can value them.

OC is freaky. I had an 8(OC) that was centered 65/35, or at least that was my argument to PSA when I sent it back in. I wanted the card converted to a straight PSA-8. The best they'd do was drop it to a 7, so I narrowly lost out. But there are a few out there that would definitely go down only one grade. The rest you'd have to assume are two grades at least.

Of course, this doesn't say anything about what they'd do if you sent them to SGC in 2000 or SGC now. They might get a different grade entirely from them.

bruce