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Posted By: Charles Montoya

Has anyone set in motion an investigation of Pro Grading? I have read so very much now on how dishonest this company is and I must agree with an earlier post(that I can't seem to find now)that maybe some of the negativity should be addressed to them if in fact any or all of these allegations are true.I just find it rather difficult to believe that everything they grade is poo-poo. Last week on another forum I frequent, I saw an obvious Mantle reprint that has been graded by PSA. I have seen many questionable cards that have been pointed out and discussed at great length as to how they made the grade or have been graded without qualifiers. Not once have I seen someone allege that maybe PSA may has been less than honest. I mean, if it doesn't say PSA, SGC, or dare I say Beckett, then I see grading company after grading company labled as crooks or as trimmers.

I'm sure that many a new collectors have sent perfectly good cards to some of the less popular grading companies, gotten an accurate grade and all is well. There is no question that for investment purposes, PSA seems to be the way to go. I find it difficult to believe that all of the other companies are just out to rip folks off. I'm certain that all of them would like to be #1 and I know that most of them must have quality minded people at least in the business office that know that a good reputation insures longevity.

Now I want to learn as much as I can here.I really enjoy reading some of the absolutely brilliant post on vintage cards,how some of you seem to know even the slightest differences in cards. It's amazing sometimes when I read about such suttle changes that I could never at this point even know to look for and, y'all pick them out so quickley!

I guess it's because there is so much smarts and experience here, that I can't understand how such broad statements are used when talking about some of the lesser known grading companies. I mean at least GAI made it to the nationals and may now begin to get a little bit of respect.

Is it the general consensus here that ONLY PSA and SGC have competant graders? Does that mean that no one outside of those companies is REALLY qualified to grade cards? Or is it more likely that most of these companies employee people that have spent their lives in this labor of love trying to establish themselves as the BEST?

If that PRO Mantle is altered, then I believe that PRO is responsible. Personally I think that Dr, Koos listed it just to get a rise out of everybody.

That's another thing I noticed,Koos was away from his keyboard for a short period of time over the past few days and hadn't made any post. But the chatter about him never stopped.Then when he did come back, it was worse than ever.This forum for vintage baseball cards was full of nasty vile talk that I hope no kid who was trying to learn about baseball cards ever saw.

This Mantle card is a good topic, it has created so much talk about other cards, descriptions of cards,prices of cards you know.....card talk.

Then all of these personal attacks! Talk of strong sexual content with descriptions of sexual acts and anatomy. I must say that I became quite disgusted.If everybody truly would have ignored him, I think he would have just backed off. After a few no replies to his threads and maybe all would have been well. but the same folks who wanted to ignore him just kept on until he responded. Almost like they missed him.

I feel like this guy has just strung y'all along enjoying every moment of taunting and bringing out the childlike behavior we have seen here.

And even worse is this man who claims to be a doctor behaving as he has. I truly hope that if you are a doctor that you leave your nastiness in the hall while you're supposedly dedicating your life to saving others.

I may never have your money Doc but I truly care about people and spend as much time thanking God for what little I do have rather than comparing my material possessions to those who may have less.

So sad that the life you describe is that of someone who has the need to always try to be impressive.Must be tough to deal with when the most powerful motivator in you life is the opinion that others have of you.

If you were truly happy with all that you have, then having it would be enough. The need to tell the world of your accomplishments shows that you too sir have great weakness in your character.You will never have enough to be happy. You seek happiness outside of yourself. It's glaringly evident.

In this day of such horrible disease, how sad that a physician, who sees it everyday, boast about his promiscuity.

I guess this has been quite a rant. I want to learn about Vintage baseball cards. Should I go to the Sex / braggart forums? Maybe a debate forum?

I have an idea. Why don't you sell your cards, everybody else just let him, and somebody find a new rare card for us all to look at.
LC