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Dr.Koos...Bad argument. I SPOKE to John Hoffman on the phone (a rare treat I could have lived without). The man struck me either as an alcoholic, having Alzheimer's, or being a complete idiot totally oblivious to his surroundings. And I mean even more desperately idiotic than even that wacky, legendery twosome of RumpScott & Gruesome, the Ren & Stimpy of the Catskill Circuit...well, hopefully soon anyway (at least that duet, being idiot-savants know SOMETHING about cards and pipes, but little else), but Hoffman...a whole different wave-length.
Anyway, I asked President Hoffman some simple questions: "How are you", "You never returned my calls..why?", to lull him into a deeper lull of a sense of false security. Then I parried with the trick question..."Do you know anything about the PRO 8 1952T Mantle that you graded". His answer was "that there are two different types of Mantles in 1952 on the sheet and they're both different". Larry Flint could have recited the Constitution faster and with more ease than it took 'OL President Pro to stammer out that answer. The rest of the tedious conversation was the same.
On grading services, as someone said..allowances for misgrades and errors in determining altered or not? Let's draw an anology that deals with something FAKE and the laws of averages. If you pass a counterfeit bill on some shop keeper, and the next day a detective is waiting for you when you make your daily visit, to ask some questions..if you're asked to present your wallet for bill inspection and you have maybe 1 more bill out of 10 that is counterfeit as well, it's no where's near as bad for you than if HALF of your money is BAD. Before, it's an accident..50%!! You're a counterfeiter, and now you're under investigation. Sure there's trimmed and altered cards in PSA and SGC holders but the odds GREATLY favor the card in either of those holders as being legit. COMPLETELY the opposite odds holding true for cards slabbed by Pro and with the amount of money that has been pumped out in sales of Pro graded cards, THAT's GROSS NEGLIGENCE on a GRAND scale. Five of Ten auctions of pre-1960 Pro slabbed cards I've studied on Ebay, I have felt were NG. Even if I'm OVERESTIMATING by 40%, that's STILL a plausable 3 of 10 for the thumbs down vote against 1 out of every 20 cards I've seen PSA & SGC slabbed were in my estimation, suspect.