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Posted By: jay behrens

That is your problem right there. You cannot sit back and wait to see what the standard 'should' be for HOF. The best you can do is look at that player in context of how good he was while he played. You can't compare them against some standard set in another era. Fingers and Gossage were the best relievers in the 70s and they belong. Sutter and Quisenberry in the 80s. After them, only Eck comes to mind.

Someone had mentioned in another post that saves were sort of meaningless beucase you only had to be a good pitcher on a good team to rack up saves. This is definately not the case. Thigpen set the record with a mediocre White Sox teams. Montreal and several other bad teams have had relievers lead the league in saves. There is a lot more to saving a game than just stepping on the mound for a good team when they are ahead.

Jay