[nolemmings]

Hi Derek,
I didn’t say that the Helmar stamps replicated T205, or didn’t mean to say that. I believe it’s highly interesting that the images used in T332 came from the same source as was used in T205. I hypothesize that the additional subjects found in the stamps but not included in T205 were intended to be used in future “series” of T205 but that the idea was aborted, which left the images unused for that purpose.

Most of the Helmars in fact use the exact same images as found in T205, showing some sort of familial relationship IMO. So where did the other Helmar images come from? Has anyone tied them to any other card set or photographer’s work?

It wouldn’t surprise me if additional T205s were contemplated–Lajoie and Crawford are conspicuously absent from T205, for example, and that those images are found in the stamps. As for the Chase you posted, that image was used in P2 pins and Px7 domino disks, which are clearly tied to T205. It is possible that old Hal was going to get another T205, or that this image was rejected in favor of the other two when T205 was finalized.
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As for the date of Helmar stamps, the easiest proof of a 1912 issuance is found in the stamps of Mike Donlin, George Stovall and Gabby Street, shown as Pirates, Browns and Yankees respectively, which are teams they did not join until calendar year 1912. There are other hints from players who didn’t begin their big league careers until 1911 and had short and/or unremarkable stats that year (Hartley and Richter), as well as managerial moves showing Griffith and Harry Davis on teams they were not hired to skipper until after the 1911 season.