[Johnphotoman]

Recap of Bond Bread and Festberg cards on what was posted in the Ted Z
thread: All about the edges of the cards (die - cut), the back of the cards,
and the Festberg discovery.

As I have combed through the original thread from back in 2009 - started
by Ted Z; I was shocked to see how much the information was twisted
around to fit an agenda. I was amazed at how so many different quotes
made - were just misquoted later on in the thread to meet with that
agenda.

I do not know if the thread started out to have an agenda, but it sure seems
like it did. As the thread went on, it devolved into someone or someone’s
own point of view. This agenda or point of view single-handedly caused
more controversy on the Bond Bread cards, before there was a thread.
Now I will say, I am glad for that thread, without it we would not have as
much information about the Bond Bread issues. It has given us very good
information. Believe it or not I have gained more from the false information
then from the truth.

What was this point of view (agenda)? Only the cards that Ted and others
had… are the only cards that are the real Bond Bread cards. All others are
fakes, reprints, not printed 1947-1949. Again this is my point of view.
I know this is not a nice thing to say, and Ted Z is not here to defend
himself, but as I laid out the facts; I believe you will see that if you held a
different opinion than the one the thread was promoting… you were wrong,
or just did know what you were talking about. These facts will come right
from the thread, that are not mine, but those who had posted their opinion.

Quote from thread #8 posted 04-04-2009, By: Ted Zanidakis:

“There is a significant difference in the cardboard stock used in the original
1947 Bond Bread cards vs. the subsequent (unknown series) of SQUARE
cards. When you compare these cards, you'll immediately notice”......
1....the 1947 cards are slightly thicker
2....there is a faint gloss on the 1947 cards and not on the other cards
3....the contrast on the 1947 cards is superior to the other cards
4....the backs of the 1947 cards have retained their original white
color.....while the backs of the other cards have a "toned" effect.

Take note what Ted Z said, “There is a significant difference in the
cardboard stock used in the original 1947 Bond Bread cards vs. the
subsequent (unknown series) of SQUARE cards.” Images provided by Ted. Image 1.

Quote from Ted Z, thread #212, 05-14-2020, “As you know, the original
1947 BOND BREAD cards have bright white backs. The re-printed (24
cards) from the "Festberg find" have toned backs. If the bottom Robinson in
your scan has a toned back (as I suspect) it has been faked to look like an
original 1947 BOND BREAD card by someone who rounded it's corners.”
images provided by Ted Z. Image 2.

Ted was talking about a post made by Gobucsmagic74 - post # 207,
05-14-2020. Where we do not see the backs, but he is very clear on the
images he provided - “The re-printed (24 cards) from the "Festberg find"
have toned backs.”

Question: how did Ted Z know there were 24 cards in the set of Festberg
find? Think about it, I will give an answer later, that is a subject for itself.

Quote from- Gobucsmagic74 - post # 207, 05-14-2020,
“Take a look at the example he shows as an original "Bond
Bread/Homogenized Bread" Jackie Robinson and note the subtle
differences in the cropping of the corners and the image between a Bond
Bread and a "Sports Star Subject". The first example (with white
background) (Bond Bread) is an example posted by Ted.”

“The second is from the ebay lot. (black background). The difference is
clear and evident. The Sports Star Subjects Jackie has cropped corners
which are much more "square" than the Bond Bread exemplar. Also much more of the "Dodgers" can be seen in the Bond Bread card, even when
factoring in the off-set/miscut. These are 100% not the same cards from the
same set, regardless of whether a third party grading company mistakenly
labels them as such.” image 3.

Too bad we did not see the backs of the cards. I do agree that the two
cards are not the same…but not because of the die-cut edges. It is
because I believe the eBay lot to be a counterfeit from copying, not from making another halftone from the original card. I know they are scans
and hard to tell; But luckily the images were enlarged, which shows that the
eBay is not a halftone but looks more like a continuous tone image, like
one you would get from a copier. Look at the enlarged images provided.
Do you see the difference between the two? Images 4,5,6,7.

With image #4 being the eBay fake. Image #5 Teds card showing the halftone dots. Image #6 Teds card, showing dots. Image # 6 eBay card no dots, the dots you do see are from copying, there are no distinct dot patterns.


Let’s go over the differences between a halftone image and a continuous
image. A "halftone" is a printing technique where an image is reproduced
using tiny dots of varying sizes to simulate different shades of color,
creating a continuous tone effect, while a "photocopy" is a simple copy of a
document made using a machine that directly transfers an image onto
paper, typically with a lower resolution and without the complex dot pattern
of a halftone; essentially, a halftone is a specific printing method for
creating realistic images, while a photocopy is just a copy of a document
made with a copier machine.

Depending on the quality of the photocopy machine, a photocopy might
appear slightly less sharp than a high-quality halftone print. A photograph
is considered a continuous tone image, meaning it displays a smooth range
of tones from dark to light, with every possible shade in between, rather
than distinct, separate dot patterns.

Quote #9 Posted By: boxingcardman, 04-04-2009. “Although Primo
Carnera was the world heavyweight champ in the 1930s, technically, the
card in this set is a wrestling card since he is shown in his wrestling garb.
Doesn't make a difference on pricing; he is still collected as a boxer.}
Hate to cause confusion, but the cards were sold in 4 boxes of 12 each as
"Sports Star Subjects". I have a scan of the cards in the boxes from some
auction years ago (don't recall which one). The front cards on the boxes are
DiMaggio, Hodges, Slaughter and Robinson.”

Notice boxingcardman did not post any pictures here, he said, “ I have a
scan of the cards in the boxes from some auction years ago (don't recall
which one). The front cards on the boxes are DiMaggio, Hodges, Slaughter
and Robinson.”

Quote #11 Posted by Ted Z, 04-04-2009. “ On the contrary....no "confusion"
here, guy. Indeed, confirmation of the SQUARE cards being issued as a
set of their own. It's been my understanding that the SQUARE cards were
1st available in 1949, and into the 1950's in small boxes. Until now, I have
referred to the SQUARE cards as an "unknown" issue. Thanks
to you, now we can identify them as the "Sports Star Subjects"
issue.....NOT a "1947 Bond Bread" issue.

Notice that boxingcardman makes no mention of dates for the "Sports Star
Subjects". Only Ted Z gave dates: “It's been my understanding that the
SQUARE cards were 1st available in 1949, and into the 1950's in small
boxes. Until now, I have referred to the SQUARE cards as an "unknown"
issue. Thanks to you, now we can identify them as the "Sports Star
Subjects" issue.....NOT a "1947 Bond Bread" issue.”

It is not boxingcardman saying that the "Sports Star Subjects" were not
issued in 1947, it is Ted Z saying that. Why is that, could it be Ted Z
“agenda”, to make the point that the square Sports Star Subjects were
issued in 1949 - 1950.

Ted goes on to say: “Shown here are 3 of the SQUARE cards. Two of
which are the BB/Movie Star cards....Lou Boudreau/Ingrid
Bergen and Johnny Mize/Victor Mature. Also, note the difference in the width of the Bond Bread Jansen card vs its SQUARE card counterpart. The Bond Bread cards are consistently 1/16 th of an inch narrower.”

Now I have a whole other problem in what Ted Z said: About the images he
posted. Ted Z posted 3 square cards that he implies are "Sports Star
Subjects" cards. He goes on to tell us to notice the width of the square
cards.

It might be hard to see the images, but the square cards he posted are
perforated. Image # 8. And in fact have their own destination in the Standard catalog of
Vintage Baseball cards. (“1947 Bond Bread Perforated, Due-Sided.) The
catalog tells us, “The manner of distribution for this variety of the Bond
Bread W571/D305 card is unknown.” Notice that the Due-Sided Perforated
cards are called Bond Bread.

What does Ted Z say, “Shown here are 3 of the SQUARE cards.” Which he
implies are Sports Star Subject cards. He makes the point that they are
1/16 bigger. But did not tell us… those cards are - W571/D305 Bond Bread
cards. Yes that could be the wrong destination for them, but that is a
discussion for another time.

The catalog does not call these Due-Sided Perforated cards …Sports Star
Subject cards, boxingcardman does not call them Sports Star Subject
cards, (why would he, he did not see them until Ted posted them), that is
Ted doing so. I can not say why Ted calls these W571 perforated cards
Sports Star Subject cards, maybe he just misidentified them. But he did contribute to the Standard Catalog of Vintage Baseball Cards. Let's just
leave it there.

Note the description from the catalog: “These different in that they have
two, three, or four sides perforated indicating they were issued in sheet
form, Also this group has instead of a blank back, another picture.”
Why did Ted Z not post the backs of the cards, was it because they were
two sided? Or is it because it did not fit with his agenda? The images he
posted are from 1947. That does not fit in his widow of 1949-1950.
Up next - Report number 5: Festberg Discovery part three. John