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Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5
I see your brain is incapable of distinguishing between cleaning a card to sell it to an unsuspecting buyer, and cleaning it to keep in your collection because you want it to look nicer. Without your ability to understand that difference, we can't possibly have an actual discussion about fraud in the hobby. An alteration can be fraud in one instance, but not in another. The alteration is not the fraud. The selling an altered card without disclosing the alteration is the fraud. And don't give me the "cleaning isn't altering" bullcrap. It's altering by definition. Your actual contention when you say that is that you believe cleaing is an acceptable form of alteration. Not that it isn't alteration. But even you have to recognize it's only acceptable to some people (even if as you claim it's a majority of people). So the sale without disclosing the alteration is fraud. Plain and simple.
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You still don't get it (I'm shocked). At the end of the day, it is an accepted practice to soak vintage cards in water. It always has been. So it doesn't matter one bit why someone soaked a card. Whether they did it to enjoy the card more or to resell it for a profit is irrelevant. Knowing that the card was soaked in water does not affect its market value in any way. So there is no obligation to inform.
And please stop using your tired false equivalencies of replacing car parts on a vehicle that has been totaled. We're not talking about rebuilding corners or filling in holes or rebacking cards or any other situation where someone is replacing parts of a card. We're talking about soaking cards in water. The car analogy equivalent here is quite clearly someone washing their car. And nobody discloses having washed their cars when selling because it is not material to the value of the car itself. The fact that a dirty dingy old car that hasn't been cleaned in decades might sell for less than it would if someone were to clean it up a bit and present it in its best light does not make it fraud for someone to do so when selling without disclosure. Regardless of whether or not there exists a small army of psychopathic car collectors who greatly prefer cars that have never been cleaned but who cannot distinguish between one that has and one that has not. The market has no obligation to cater to these nutjobs. They are simply old men screaming at clouds.
If what you did to a card has no effect on its market value if disclosed, then it is not a material fact and you have no obligation to disclose it when selling.