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Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5
Reducing an argument to an absurd result might be useful for thought experiments but useless in real-world applications like this one. No, we can absolutely draw a line between nominal effects on cards by normal handling and intentional major alterations to the card's condition with intent to make it more valuable. Just like the fraud discussion, intent matters. When you handle your cards without gloves, are you intending to alter them to enhance value? Here's a hint: you're not, nor does that modification enhance its value, but decreases it. You are making yourself look foolish.
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And the same is true when you soak a vintage card in water. There is no intent to defraud. The intention is to clean the card. And just because you assert that as fraud doesn't make it fraud. That's the problem with your bullshit arguments from earlier. You said it's fraud to clean a card and not disclose it (and here's the good part) BECAUSE the only reason one would do so is with intent to defraud. LOL. Circular reasoning at its finest. And, of course, complete horseshit.
I've got news for you. Most people who clean their cards do so simply because they want them to look nicer or they want to remove something that is stuck to the card, typically some sort of major eye sore like tape or scrapbook paper. Most of the cards I've cleaned or soaked aren't even listed for sale, and the most valuable ones likely never will be. In fact, the majority of the cards I've soaked in water wouldn't even be worth the cost of grading. I soaked them simply because I wanted them in my sets and my OCD hates warped cards. When I soak a card in water, I do it for myself because that's how I prefer them. It has nothing to do with tricking some third party despite your absurd accusations.