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					Originally Posted by Johnny630  So I list a card on eBay in an auction I don’t have the card the sale ends. I reach out to the buyer and I say the cards were stolen. I don’t have them and then I try to recoup that sale price as the value of my card I don’t think any insurance companies gonna pay that number because I never possess the card at the end of the sale. | 
	
 If the auction was clean, and assuming the card was stolen during the auction, why isn't that as good a valuation point as any?  Or are you saying you just did a fraudulent listing after the fact?