[Zan]

Originally Posted by BobC

Uh, Zan, you do know that the Type 2 Goudey wide pen cards are also bordered and also without the "LITHO IN U.S.A." line as well, right? The only real difference between the Type 2 and Type 4/5 cards is that the Type 4/5s are printed on what is described as a creamy colored cardboard/paper material. Did it ever occur to you that maybe what you are showing in those images are actually a Type 2 and a Type 4 Goudey wide pen premium of Greenberg, and not a Type 4 and Type 5 after all?

Also, as the Standard Catalog describes BOTH the Type 4 AND Type 5 wide pens as having the exact same creamy colored cardboard/paper, that would also tend to disprove that your images are of Type 4 and Type 5 wide pens of Greenberg as well. If they were, they should both be on the same creamy colored cardboard/paper, which your images show they clearly aren't. I don't know what else to tell you, but I believe in the accuracy and descriptions of the SCD catalogs, and the late Bob Lemke, much more than just someone posting on an online forum, with no real hard evidence or other info/sources to back up what they're saying. I'm not trying to demean anyone else or put them down, but the long-term, accepted SCD checklists and set descriptions seem pretty clear. There is a Type 1, Type 2, Type 3, and Type 4 Goudey wide pen premium of Hank Greenberg, and all are of his portrait, but no Type 5. Good luck in finding all the Hank Greenberg cards you're looking for. But if you already have his portrait in each of the Type 1 through Type 4 wide pens, I think you're good to go on having all the Goudey wide pens you need. Good luck.

Bob, I have all Types 1-4. Type 2 is cropped completely differently than Type 1 and 4 (at least for Greenberg, can speak only to that card because I am most familiar with it). Type 2 and Type 3 share the same image but Type 2 has a border. The card on the left owned by Jefferson Burdick is not a Type 2. I've attached a photo of it for your reference.