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Originally Posted by lampertb
He was a great base stealer in the '80s... but so were Eric Davis and Vince Coleman. He's the '80s equivalent of Jose Reys. He won 1 batting title, and his lifetime avg. is below .300. No WAY he deserves to be in! If he hadn't signed with NY, then he'd have no WS titles (maybe no playoff appearances) at all.
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So you are comparing Tim Raines to Eric Davis, Vince Coleman and Jose Reyes.
Tim Raines has almost twice as many career hits as Eric Davis and Vince Coleman, and a lifetime batting average at least 25 points higher. Raines has more career hits and a higher average than Reyes by 12 points. In addition to having a much higher average, Raines also had a much higher OBP: Raines .385, Davis .359, Reyes .334, Coleman .324.
When Raines got on base he made it count. Not only does Tim Raines have more career stolen bases than any of the other players, he has a lower caught stealing rate.
Raines' career stolen bases only trails Rickey Henderson, Lou Brock, Billy Hamilton, and Ty Cobb. While it is unknown how many times Billy Hamilton was caught stealing, Raines has a lower caught stealing % than Henderson, Brock or Cobb.
In fact Raines has the highest stolen base percentage of anyone with over 400 attempts. Raines stole 808 bases in 954 attempts for an 84.7% rate.
Because of his high OBP and steal rate, he cranked out a lot of runs. Raines ranks 55th ever in Runs at 1,571 (right behind Rogers Hornsby) compared to Reyes 1,180, Davis 938, Coleman 849.
Raines was a 7x All-Star--Coleman and Davis were 2x All Stars, and Reyes was a 4x All-Star
Career WAR: Raines 69.4, Reyes 37.4, Davis 36.1, Coleman only 12.5
7 Year Peak WAR: Raines 42.4, Davis 30, Reyes 29.3, Coleman only 13.2
JAWS: Raines 55.9 (8th best LF) , Reyes 33.4 (57th best SS), Davis 33.1 (64th best CF), Coleman 12.8 (186th best LF).
Raines had a better peak, and a much better career than the other players. He is about the 8th best left fielder ever, compared to Coleman who is the 186th best. Its just not a great comparison.