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Originally Posted by cardsagain74
But if you're using WAR, looking at it per innings pitched (rather than per season) is the best indicator. And Pedro bests all those guys there.
Clemens' overall career is highly underappreciated though, and may very well be the best of all time (ignoring the steroids, obviously). But in additoin to that, I think he's also overlooked because he probably doesn't have that signature hallmark stat or moment.
No bloody sock, no all time strikeout king crown or standout lifetime ERA numbers (again, people need to look at ERA+ a lot more). He was just exceptional, but not the best, at pretty much everything. But that's not as exciting as Nolan Ryan throwing 108 mph.
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Let’s hit the nail on the head here - Roger Clemens career AFTER Boston was “saved” by steroids - case closed! Anyone trying to dispute that fact is outright fooling themselves. His obvious steroid use when he went to Toronto immediately resulted in 2 consecutive pitching triple crowns & he undoubtedly continued using PEDs the remainder of his career. Like many others including Bonds, a total “cheater” w/zero integrity and tainted career numbers. I do believe his performance in Boston was good enough to earn him HOF stature, but his rank on an all-time list will forever be clouded w/ambiguity due to his post-Boston excessive steroid use. An outright lier (that congressional hearing was a joke - “I think my friend Mr. Pettitte Mis-remembered????”); a cheat; & a fraud.