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Originally Posted by earlywynnfan
If you're only comparing peak, Grove wins ERA+ and WAR by fairly significant margins. Hence, vehement Koufax supporters saying WAR is a "garbage stat." I'm sure they'll consider ERA+ to be useless, also. They only want to count specific counting stats in a vacuum, with no allowances for differences in era, defenses, parks, or anything else. Kinda like the people who say Pete Rose is a better hitter than Ty Cobb because he got more hits.
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That's why, even while saying that "he's not a top 20 all time lefty" opinions are too far-fetched, I'm not a vehement Koufax supporter either
Plenty of middle ground.
And don't even get me started on how overrated Pete Rose is. No middle-ground on that stance!