[Peter_Spaeth]

Dave, your first post said, "Whether ornnit legal authorities are getting involved remains to be seen." (typo in original) In that context I interpreted your second post as restating, not modifying, that message. If I misread it, I apologize, but I did not detect any shift. More importantly, as to whether the investigation results in serious consequences for the bad actors, I am hopeful but also skeptical. I am certainly not holding out false hope and yes the hobby has been disappointed before. My disagreement with you in this regard was over the existence of an investigation.

I won't respond to the ad hominem attacks other than to say you are of course entitled to your opinion of me. Whatever. I admit to being very passionate and vocal on these topics but I would not presume to appoint myself anything, I am one poster on a message board and there are many of us who would like to see things change.

I disagree with you strongly on your continuing attempts to downplay what is common knowledge at the highest levels of the hobby about the extent of altered cards in slabs, and to suggest some courtroom like burden of proof. It's far more than suspicions and allegations. I do think you are being naïve or perhaps willfully blind here, honestly. This has been going on since cert 00000001.

Finally, I'm not looking to hurt anyone. I'm looking for some positive change, as are many of us here, but I/we don't trust the powers that be to implement any, they've had decades and come up with nothing. Ever try to raise the issue of altered cards on CU? It's like looking to Wall Street in 2008 to fix itself.