If interested, the short version is to read the first 2 posts and then skip all the way to posts 242-250
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1276110
Middle 100 posts are threats and arguments completely unlike the civil discussions here.
Edited to remove “Basketball” from the title since it appears forum member here think it doesn’t affect their baseball cards. It’s clear that dealers are making tons of money just by buying/trimming/selling.