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Originally Posted by sycks22
Vlad's first 10 full seasons:
950 Runs, 1781 Hits, 337 HR, 1051 RBI, .325 Avg Top 3 RF. Hit .300+ every year
Miggy's first 10 seasons:
961 Runs, 1802 Hits, 321 HR, 1123 RBI, .318 Avg Below Average 3B / 1B. Hit under .300 3x's
Would anyone argue that Miggy isn't a first ballot HOFer?
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Originally Posted by bnorth
Those old outdated stats mean nothing. You need the new cool ones. You know the ones were they use hypothetical and theoretical in the explanation of how they got those stats.   |
Vlad first ten seasons: (10th during that period)
48.6 fWAR
144 wRC+ (100 is avg)
.405 wOBA
.381 OBP
.584 SLG
Miggy first ten seasons (3rd over that period)
52.7 fWAR
155 wRC+
.411 wOBA
.403 OBP
.573 SLG
first ten seasons they do compare pretty well, but their ENSUING seasons look like this:
Vlad (2007-11):
5.9 fWAR
120 wRC+
.361 wOBA
.354 OBP
.490 SLG
Miggy (2013-16):
21.8 fWAR
164 wRC+
.412 wOBA
.409 OBP
.565 SLG
Miggy has been on an entirely different level after about his 3rd or 4th season (he's dragged down a bit by his early years as he was so young when he came into MLB) Vlad is a good player, a borderline player, but his decline was pretty fast and his defense wasn't good enough to make up for his bat (and injuries)
saber stats are not hypothetical, they use real data and more data than stuff like batting average (for instance wRC+ takes into account the parks played in, league played in, the type of hit accrued....etc )