If you're new to pre-war...I'd suggest the following rules.
1. If you're buying, the card is trimmed...if you're selling, it's...diamond cut/measures short.
2. Don't believe what anybody is telling you about the card...and trust your own judgement.
I love the cards you posted...but they look trimmed to me. Plenty of trimmed cards get holdered...buy the cards you like and don't worry about what someone else says about them.
Good luck.
Mac
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