[irv]

Originally Posted by Paul S

I don't really want to sidetrack Raymond's thread, but since it already has been undone, I am the seller irv speaks of.

This is the brief version - the whole thing is a lot more maddening than I am writing. It actually transpired over a week and many email exchanges. It's true that I did not have a PP account at that time. The card in question is the 58T Mantle/Aaron combo.

Card sold for $30 + $3 shipping.

I told him that I had never shipped outside the U.S. before and to let me know approx what that cost would be. He replies maybe a couple of dollars more than the $3. Says he will ask his wife about the exchange rate and best way to pay w/check.

I receive a check for $30 total. I ask him about the shipping. He says he will send another check for the additional amount.

Meanwhile, I take the first check to my bank and ask them about the protocol. The check is made out payable to the bearer: $30.00 USD (fair enough - I would get my initial $30, and the exchange rate comes out of his account and expect the shipping later).

My bank says there will probably be a collection fee and it could take days.
His bank is ****** *****, and at the top of the printed check there is something to the effect of TDCanada.com. My bank advises me to take it to my local TD and see if they will honor it, thus saving him the collection fees and I get my money on the spot - minus shipping.

On my way home from the bank I stop at the PO to mail off some cards. I had a single-card package and ask what it would cost to send something identical to Canada: $9.50 + cushion mailer.

I get home and email him if he really wants to pay $10 for a $30 card? And, why didn't he know that shipping would cost so much? He said he never looked at the shipping costs on his PP invoices. I suggest that if he needs any other cards to let me know, because adding a few extra cards is virtually the same shipping cost. We settle upon 2 52Ts.

Soon enough, before I can scan them, I get an email asking me to send scans and he will decide if he wants to cancel the transaction.

I went to the underbidder.

Paul, I am glad to see you replied, and although my dealings with you were strange and confusing (You, yourself apologized for your own strange/confusing PMs!) I never thought you would stoop to this level of twisting the truth fabricating a story!

You wrote me, 6 days after you received my cheque, that you went to the bank the same day and the bank wanted $2.00 to cash the cheque and the PO wanted $9.50 to ship it.

You immediately mentioned the underbidder in the same PM on the same day you received my cheque because the banking fee and the shipping costs seemed to cause you some distress for some reason??


Like I mentioned, I am unsure how you, the seller, expect me, the purchaser, to figure out shipping for you, the seller, especially with me, being up here in Canada!?!?
I know I have to quit using the “I’m the new guy here card” eventually, but maybe I best hold off a bit because I was unaware that maybe E-Bay or Auction houses or whoever else, sometimes require that the purchaser figure out the shipping costs/fees for the seller???

That is a new one, but you seemed to get quite upset, with me being Canadian and all, and with my perceived vast experience/knowledge of U.S. state laws, taxes, shipping fees and transportation routes (while you sat on your butt for six days waiting for my cheque to arrive!) that I didn’t know, or even know if the card was going to be sent in a paper envelope or via air mail, that I wasn’t able to figure out shipping costs for you!

I told you, fees were all over the map with some E-Bay transactions costing $3 dollars and some all the way up to $51 dollars! I never once mentioned anything about PP invoices? Where are you getting this information from?

We discussed other 52 Topps cards, you are correct, but no where do I recall ever agreeing to purchase 2 other cards? Again, where are you getting this information from?

When you mentioned the under bidder, your first reply back the first day you received my cheque, I knew this was causing you grief and that is when I asked for additional scans on the Foes card, thinking maybe, just maybe, if this card wasn’t worth purchasing after all, I would cancel the transaction which would ease your anxieties knowing you no longer had to send it to me??

Like sending my cheque out asap, as you requested, (Get a leg up sound familiar?) I was also trying to help you but you didn’t see it that way, no, instead you wrote me back a nasty e-mail stating how pissed off you were and that you voided my cheque and sold the card to the under bidder!

Like I mentioned, you had no business reselling that card that I won fair and square in the “Live Auction” after I sent you the cheque asap as you requested and after I said I would send another one asap to cover the additional costs!

I don’t know what else I could have done?!?

You stated, which I highly doubt now, that you had over a 100 transactions over the years but this one sent you over the edge for some reason?

The funniest part of all this, which I still get a laugh about, btw, is when you mentioned “You had better lay off bidding on any of my future auctions for the time being”

I ‘m glad to see, despite your other issues, that at you still have a sense of humor, Paul. At least you have that going for you!