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Originally Posted by Topps206
Except numbers are suggesting that Dahlen is better than many others already in. It's clear he's superior to Bobby Wallace and Joe Tinker. He's also comparable to Hughie Jennings and George Davis. Out of his top ten similarity scores on Baseball-Reference, more than half are in Cooperstown. Dahlen is also 10th all time for shortstops when it comes to JAWS.
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We'll just have to agree to disagree. Jennings is in because he's a manager. Davis is clearly a better hitter Ops+ 121 to 110 and fielder .940 to .927. Wallace and Tinker are questionable selections, but much better defensively .938 each to .927, but worse hitters 110 to 105 to 96. Tinker is in because of a poem. If I was to pick between Wallace and Dahlen, I'd go with the better defensive ss.
I don't trust the war or jaws numbers for Dahlen. He gets a lot of value for committing a lot more errors than his contemporaries. I don't think we can go by assists and outs for a player with so little data. It's not like we can watch film of his games and see if he had better range than the above players. He got very little support from early hof voters, many who saw him play. They didn’t feel he was a hofer. It's not like he was even getting 5 or 10% of the votes. I would trust them over a 21st century researcher trying to put a value on his career.