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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

But with the O's he didn't do much.....so was it Leo or was it the talent he had to work with? And by "work," I mean rock back and forth

Couldn't we say that about most managers though?

Joe Torre? He's in, but was it the budget and players that made him a HOFer?

For football, is it Tom Brady who put Bill Belichick on the map, or vise versa?

:P

I know what you're saying though.