[jimivintage]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

I understand using Mazeroski as an example, but I get tired of O.Smith being used as an example of a low end HOFer. He isn't "Top Tier" meaning he doesn't have amazing Offensive to back his amazing Defense. Yet it seems that people use him as a reference point because there is no respect for his defense.

Ozzie Smith:
War - 76.5 6th
War7 - 43.3 15th
Jaws - 59.4 8th
dWAR - 43.4 1st

Omar Vizquel:
War - 45.3 472nd
War7 - 26.6 60th
Jaws - 36 54th
dWAR - 28.4 10th

They don't even compare.

All good points. I was shooting stuff off the top of my head. Like it or not, Ozzie and Omar have always been better known for their defense. And also, like it or not, even though I think Bill James gets in the Hall eventually, I'm not so sure that today's writers are using his sabermetrics to determine their place in Cooperstown. They probably should!! They are still using outdated stats like Wins and Losses for pitchers to determine HOF status and All-Star game selections. Ugh!

For what it's worth, I do believe Ozzie Smith is a worthy HOFer....I just meant that Omar Vizquel (also known for his superb defense) will eventually get in. No disrespect to Ozzie or you.