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Originally Posted by ElCabron
I found the link the the thread about the fake cards from 2005: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=79499
Notice the familiar pattern of attacking me personally, calling me Mr. Ryan, discussing what I've bought in the past, using several aliases and different names, etc. I suspect that it's possible the people that tried to pass off those fakes as real are the same people we're dealing with now.
One of the first red flags for me was when I look a "seller's other auctions" on ebay and saw all those fountain pens. EXACTLY what the seller of the previous fakes ("Polar") specialized in on ebay. And suddenly there's a newer eBay account with a feedback rating of only 41, who also specializes in fountain pens and items from Cuba, just like the Polar seller. And they come on Net54 and sound exactly like the previous scammers and use the same tactics such as personally attacking me.
It still doesn't mean that these are fake. It's possible for real cards to be discovered by unethical people. But the seller's current behavior probably isn't building anyone's confidence about the legitimacy of these cards. There are other red flags I will post about shortly, but anyone who reads that entire thread about the fake Polar cards will find it extremely similar to this one.
-Ryan |
The fact that those Polar cards were deemed to have 1950's era paper means nothing to me. I seem to remember a certain Wagner card that we all know is fake, yet highly respected and experienced document and paper experts told those guys their card was printed in paper consistent with that produced in the early 1900's. I can go down to the local antique malls near where I live and buy old paper. or old boxes made of cardboard etc... A guy was busted in Lebanon Ohio in 2007 making fake tobacco era cards, and he was using old paper and scraps he had bought or obtained from antique dealers and book sellers. Also, sometime in the late 90's a card company located here in Ohio was producing football cards illegally. after they were busted, rumors were going around about people that worked there making 50's and 60's copies of Topps cards. Why would someone fake Cuban cards ? IDK the reasons, but it is such a small market, I'm sure whoever created them was fairly confident that he/they would recoup whatever cost was incurred while making them. the thing that someone would have to do is come up with a believable story behind the cards, and then buttress that claim with claims from other Cuban card collectors who agree that said cards are real. I doubt there is any shortage of 1950's era paper in Cuba either. They are still driving 1950's era cars. Does anyone know if any of the other Polar cards ever surfaced ? I read the checklist posted in the old thread and it's a who's who of baseball greatness