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Originally Posted by Ksquared
Jose
I sent you a PM earlier today about trying to learn more about 75-77 cello packs. The whole situation about fake cello packs out there is of interest to me because I have some cello packs bought over the years. Like most, I try to buy from reputable people/dealers. I'm far from an expert and do put some trust in people I think are honest and have strong reputations. Probably a mistake and this whole situation has caused me to be more skeptical in general with our hobby (not a bad thing - live and learn).
What I learned from your PM is that in 1975 only players with a double asterisk on the back of the card (**) can appear on the front of a cello pack. The same would hold true for cello packs in 1976 and 1977. I looked at all the 1975 packs that Fritsch has for sale and they all have top cards with the **, so that backs up what you said.
I have also read from you where you said you haven't sold any of the back packs you had authenticated by PSA.
I then did some research on packs sold by using VCP previous sales over the years. You have sold several packs over the past few years with stars on top. Some of them are ** but many of them are not. If what you said hold true all of the time (as you said it did), then can you explain these sales attributed to your ebay id. (edited). All of these packs have a single asterisk (*):
cert#19449158 (Willie Mays #203 on top) sold for $120.27 on 1/3/12
cert#18517511 (Thurman Munson #20 on top) sold for $229.72 on 12/13/11
cert#19414015 (Dave Winfield #61 on top) sold for $185.50 on 1/4/12
cert#18517503 (Robin Yount #223 on top) sold for $500 on 11/17/11
cert#18777946 (Mickey Mantle MVP #194 on top) sold for $147.50 on 8/17/11
There were a bunch of other sales for 1975 and 1977 packs that I didn't check so this is just a sample of those that I found that didn't meet the criteria you said.
In your PM you mentioned that you typically want to address these questions in public so that I why I posted here instead of back through PM.
Just to be transparent, I have a 1975 pack with Brooks Robinson on the top and that card has a single asterisk. The cert# is sandwiched between packs that you sold but I did not buy it from you directly.
Thanks
Jim
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Absolutely Jim,
i was one of the top star pack dealers i bought and sold hundreds upon
hundreds over the last 10 years, when i started to open box after box is when i noticed that many of those stars that i had on top were only in the
bottom section! the more i opened the more it happened! that's when i started my research and came to finding out the truth! so i started to email
people and most treated my heads up like i was crazy, so i created proof
and still have it, and that is what i'm fighting, every single person that has
bought and sold star packs in the country went through bogus packs most
graded and that is my message exactly wide spread corruption! and as i provided you with SOLID truthful information is the only way i see to help
rid of the problem but i been facing strong opposition from the so-called
experts that don't want the truth to come out. AND AGAIN every pack i was involved in with tampering i still have
i put a note inside of some so there can be no dispute that what say about the corruption in grading is true.