[travrosty]

agreed, but the buyer of the autograph that failed psa also thought he was using common sense to demand his money back when psa provided a letter of rejection but no proof that the signature was bad. That seller failed in his quest to strong arm a dealer based simply on a psa letter of rejection and nothing else. he lost. All i wanted to say is psa and the others are not the be-all end-all final word.

They never prove anything, with autographs it is always weasel words for the rejection letter. undulation, misaligned baseline, improper shading, patching, oversize, undersize, etc. all words that mean nothing.

so taking PSA's word as gospel is ridiculous. We have corrected them on way more than one ocassion, try hundreds of times, and with cards i don't see why it would be any different. Again, this is not in regard to this specific cobb wagner card, but in general, the card is probably bogus, but psa or sgc saying it is bogus doesnt make it any more bogus just as cobb edwards saying it is authentic doesnt make it any more authentic.

Only proof can prove/disprove the card, and PSA doesn't provide or at least disclose any proof to back up their opinions. They hand down their opinion from mount olympus on high and expect you to just "trust" them. we have seen how many bogus autographs that trust has breached in the past, the laser prints, the stamps, the autopens, the secretarials. Someone show me how cards would be any different?