I know Downey is olive as I had owned 2 different ones at one point but have never seen a black. As far as phelps I will look at my scans of the one I have and see the color for a positive reference. I will stand behind the BL's being either black or olive and not both. I can see a faded back fooling someone or the olive being really dark and not have great scans a the reason it appears black. Can we see 2 clear scans of any BL double colors side by side?