Anytime Tim

Great example.........
Great examples ....Tony, that was a nice Mcgraw....

my fav is John's clear Schei and the Phelan, but the Schlei is one of the nicest tols i have seen, or wet stacked fronts for that matter ....sorry they went back

they were sweeeet!! but your cards are fing SICk John

...man to own some of your gemz

nice to drea........
Chris, i think those oddball are an example of "after the factory".....I'm glad u posted.......the top row u posted are wet stacked, 100% sure, done at factory altho im led to beleive the needham is a type of scrap....i'd need it in hand to tell for sure, tuf to tell, that was in a freak mastro lot years ago i beleive....i own a few cards that were in that freak lot...doesn't jump out, but needs to be seen....
THE BOTTOM ROW....Mcquillen and weimer are "iffy".....any different back/ askewed/water/fire damage cards are suspect.......
the weimer is and "iffy" .....i have a few like that ....they look more fire/water damaged.....the ink must have been tuf after factory to transfer, but i beleive intense situuations might lift a "light" extreme "light" amount off...
i am by no means an expert, this is just what i have gathered by collecting these since 1998.......
and purely debatable...
thanx for all input and insight and posts...
my scans are too large to post, trying to figure out how to reduce and post a few....

sorry....will play with them later...
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