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Posted By: <b>bruce Dorskind</b><p>Only 71 cards have benn graded by SGC Only 3 have achieved a grade of 70<br /><br />We anticipate obtaining two samples and thus may have one for<br />sale. Our available sample is Devore- a solid 70 that should be an 80<br /><br />Write us with your absolute best offer.<br /><br />All offers will remain confidential. <br /><br />Decision will be made on September 10, 2008 at<br />6;00 PM EST<br /><br /><br />Bruce Dorskind<br />America's Toughest Want List<br /><br />e mail bdorskind@dorskindgroup.com
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Posted By: <b>bruce Dorskind</b><p><br /><br />Three offers and two requests for scans<br /><br />Keep em coming<br /><br />Bdorskind@dorskindgroup.com<br /><br />Bruce Dorskind<br />America's Toughest Want List
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Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>You really need to bump your own want ad, a few hours after you initially posted it? <br /><br />Heaven forbid Matt Engle's for sale post should stay on top for more then a few minutes...<br /><br />edited to add - Anthony - we had the same thought.
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Posted By: <b>Anthony S.</b><p>....he said 5 hour bumped-ly.<br /><br /><br />edited to clarify: wasn't referring to you Matt.
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Posted By: <b>Brian Collie</b><p>How many members are there in the Bruce Dorskind Group?<br /><br />Is there any reason why only one member of the Bruce Dorskind Group ever contributes? Are the other members allowed to participate? <br /><br />Is Bruce the leader of the group or has he simply been elected to be the corresponding secretary?<br /><br />Not to be an ass, just curious. <br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />Brian
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Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>Brian - there is only Bruce. He refers to himself in the 3rd person as a marketing ploy.
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Posted By: <b>Noel</b><p>Matt--There may very well be more than one member of the Dorskind Group. We just believe however, the individal posting is certainly the best example extant.
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Posted By: <b>Bruce Dorskind</b><p><br /><br />Our silent auction closes tomorrow evening<br /><br />Current high bid will set an all time record<br />for a graded non-HOF<br /><br />Your last chance<br /><br /><br />e mail<br /><br />bdorskind@dorskindgroup.com
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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>more than a joe jackson T210?
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Prizner</b><p>Ha!<br /><br />I think they were just talking about t215's Mike.
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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>oh ok, got it Jeff...that wasn't clear to me...i have a long list of other cards i was about to mention as well...Magie, Pafko, etc...
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Prizner</b><p>We apologize for any confusion. (that's my group apologizing on behalf of the Dorskind group, sorry for any confusion there as well)
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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Since there seems to be a history of less than perfect communication in the Group's transactions I would like to know, from the winner, how this went?....I have no issue with this kind of sale on the BST but they need to be run very smoothly with no kinks.....I know my personal one for the N167 and the other one with the very nice Lone Jack, from Dave S, went fine....
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Even a price realized would be useful, unless both parties want it kept confidential.
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Posted By: <b>Anthony S.</b><p>The group sent a scan to my attorney via a courier from Price Waterhouse. It was an extremely confidential scan.
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Posted By: <b>Dan Koteles</b><p>Bruce has the right to sell and update as he likes ,why the trash?<br /><br />nobody likes it when one sabatoges their stuff, you go Bruce!
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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>hi dan- you owe me an email...hope you are well.<br /><br />p.s. i wasn't trashing Bruce, was just confused by one of his comments...<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>Brian</b><p><br />How can one (or many) sell/auction a card they don't even own?
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Posted By: <b>MB3</b><p>Bruce good luck and i hope your card blows out to a collector who will enjoy it. I notice that certain individuals that post on this board are very bias and sensitive when it comes who is asking questions and selling cards.
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Posted By: <b>Bottom of the Ninth</b><p>Wonder if the bid is high enough if he will deliver it via limo.
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Posted By: <b>Bob C</b><p>Anthony,<br />If the Bruce's sent to you via Price Waterhouse they have the ability to go back in time. Now that would not entirely surprise me given their propensities, however Price Waterhouse no longer exists, or at least in that name. They merged/combined with Coopers & Lybrand several years ago.<br />Good luck bidding in any event!<br />PW alum<br />
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Posted By: <b>Bruce Dorskind</b><p><br /><br />For anyone interested, we did not have any communications with Anthony<br />or his attorney.<br /><br />Anthony is an outright LIAR!<br /><br />We have no idea who his attorney is and/or if he even has an attorney.<br />We suspect if Anthony has an attorney, his propensity to lie would lead<br />us to believe that he has a criminal attorney or perhaps, a public defender. <br /><br />As for Price Waterhouse Coopers- our group has consulted with the firm for<br />several years. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Bruce Dorskind<br />America's Toughest Want List<br /><br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Prizner</b><p>I think it was a joke dude.
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Posted By: <b>boxingcardman</b><p>It was obviously a joke. <br><br>Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc
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Posted By: <b>Rob D.</b><p>Once the "silent auction" has ended, can we make guesses on who the "winner" might be?<br /><br />I've got dibs on Sidd Finch.<br /><br />Edited to reflect that the "auction" hasn't ended.
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Posted By: <b>Bruce Dorskind</b><p><br /><br />The Buy/Sell section is not about humor or cynical remarks<br /><br />When we want to sell something, we expect inquiries about<br />the item not foolish childlike cynical remarks.<br /><br />We see no room for liars and cynics on this Board,especially<br />in the buy/sell section<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Bruce Dorskind<br />America's Toughest Want List<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>CN</b><p> Guys I think Bruce is right on this one. We all like to have a little fun on the main board but I think the B/S/T section should be serious. Bruce is a valued member of this board and some might find him eccentric in his posts but he is one of the most knowlegable and respected collectors in our hobby. CN
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Posted By: <b>Steve Murray</b><p>Never mind. Nothing I say will change him.
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Posted By: <b>andy becker</b><p>i agree with bruce(s), however i am at a loss to suggest a punishment befitting anthony's indiscretion. any suggestions bruce?
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I agree some people have been overly cynical here, and it does interfere with Bruce's ability to sell his card...but there's always room for a little humor.
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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p><br />It does interfer with Bruce(s) ability to sell a card they might someday own.
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Posted By: <b>Rob D.</b><p>Bruce already has informed us that the "Current high bid will set an all time record for a graded non-HOF," plus, by at least one account, Bruce is "one of the most knowlegable and respected collectors in our hobby."<br /><br />I wonder how a few comments made in jest could negatively impact such a "sale."<br /><br />But that's just me.
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Rob, you're cynical. I'm a criminal lawyer. Bad combo.
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Posted By: <b>Tim</b><p>I'm really just curious here as I haven't been a Net 54 member that long.<br /><br />I see Bruce/The Bruce's take a lot of verbal punishment on this board in the general discussion section, but has he/them done something to warrant his/their listing in the B/S/T being a place to take shots at he/them when he/them is trying to conduct business?<br /><br />I'm obviously an outsider to the history of this entire situation, but without additional information it seems a little unfair.
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Posted By: <b>Lee Behrens</b><p>This question was asked once in the thread and no response, so I am asking again. <br /><br />From the original post it appears that "we" does not even own or have the card in question under consignment. What card is actually being auctioned? The one that might be an 80? Do you own or have this card on consignment?<br /><br />Lee
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Posted By: <b>Jim VB</b><p><<I'm a criminal lawyer.>><br /><br /><br />Jeff, <br /><br />As usual, you're far too modest. You are not just "a criminal lawyer" (that sounds so "Grishamesque".)<br /><br />I have it on good authority that you are an associate of "KNOWN CRIMINALS!!!"<br /><br />Perpetuate that legend. It will come in handy someday when your kids grow up and start to date. <br />
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Two thoughts: <br /><br />1) I missed Lee around here; <br /><br />2) Jim, good point, though I have twin boys (instead of girls, thank god), so I'm covered. I am, in fact, about to head down to an arraginment for an "alleged criminal". I will post the results of the bail hearing on an ebay listing and in Molesting Roosters Monthly magazine. And I will do my best not to lie in court but, as you can imagine, it's not easy once my lips start to move.
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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I have to admit that I am in Lee's camp on this one. Is the darn card even owned or is this a farce? I don't think I have seen anywhere that Bruce said he actually owns it. As I said in my post above this "auction" needs to be all above board and with very little to no kinks.....or it won't be allowed again. There is precedence for how a decent one is done and that is what I think we want on here....Not some charade.......<br /><br />Tim- you just have to be here long enough to get to know how the "Bruces" act....He really gets about exactly what he deserves....He is certainly very knowledgable but that knowledge gets overshadowed by his other idiosyncrasies....
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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p><br />I agree with Lee, Leon and myself. But I agreed with myself first.
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Posted By: <b>Jim VB</b><p>Jeff,<br /><br />My son is 19. My daughter is 15. You will find it almost as easy to "dislike" the girlfriends as you would the boyfriends.
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Posted By: <b>Steve Murray</b><p>It's no more than a phishing expedition.
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Posted By: <b>Sean</b><p>When Sean contacted Bruce, his brother Bruce and his other brother Bruce about the card it sounded like he has the SGC 70 in hand and is waiting for the SGC 80 to come in. When the SGC 80 comes in early this week they will sell the SGC 70.<br /><br />I really don't like the blind auction format and decided to equivocally pass on the card, not to bear in mind the presumptions that the card might not be sold in a transaction if the SGC 80 they are hoping to get is irretrievably lost and <br />not delivered to such address.<br /><br />That's what I got.
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Posted By: <b>ramram</b><p>Hey Bruce,<br /><br />Did it sell? Give us an update! How many bids did you end up getting?<br /><br />Rob M.
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Posted By: <b>Bruce Dorskind</b><p><br /><br /><br />Whilst the end transaction was between ourselves and the other party,<br />we did send a number of scans to various Board and non-Board members.<br /><br />Sean sent us two notes: (1) Requesting a scan (2) The note below<br /><br />Any of you who wish to see a scan can write Sean. <br /><br />We will have no further comment on this matter<br /><br /><br />Bruce Dorskind<br />America's Toughest Want List<br /><br /><br />E Mail From Sean<br /><br />Good Morning Bruce,<br /><br />That is really a great looking card (especially for the Red Cross cards), I'm guessing it's out of my price range for now.<br /><br />Have a good one and good luck selling it!<br /><br />Sean<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p><br /><br /><<We anticipate obtaining two samples and thus may have one for<br />sale.>><br /><br /><br />Bruce(s) doesn't own the card he is trying to sell.<br /><br />This shouldn't be on the BST board, it should be on the imaginary fairytale board. This is no different than me auctioning a card that Leon has for sale on his site. If I get a higher price, then I buy the card from Leon and sell it to the high bidder in the "auction."
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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I agree completely. The Bruces will not be allowed to do this again without me knowing they have the card in their possession and/or own it, with no complications. As I said before I have no issue with folks doing these kinds of auctions but this one left much to be desired. <br /><br />Bruces- Here is your polite warning. You may not do this kind of auction again until you and I chat privately (email or phone) and I am comfortable with the whole process. This is absolutely NOT personal.....Anyone that does this type of auction on our board will get the same scrutiny. I hope you understand....take care
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Posted By: <b>Sean</b><p>Liar? I said you planned on selling the card when the other arrived (like you said in your e-mail to me). From your e-mail I assumed you had possession of the SGC 70 (Devore) and were going to sell that when the SGC 80 arrived. <br /><br />Yawn.<br /><br /><br />Good morning Sean<br /><br />Attached is the scan<br /><br />If you are interested you can e-mail an offer.<br /><br />We will sell the card to the highest bidder (e mail offers- best offer only)<br /><br />We will sell when we receive the other T 215- which should be early this<br />coming week<br /><br /><br />Bruce Dorskind<br />America's Toughest Want List<br /><br /><img src="http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g193/hanksta3/t215devore.jpg"><br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Bruce's email does raise a problem. For example, suppose Sean was the high bidder on the 70, and then the deal for the 80 fell through. Would Bruce still sell the card? It's unclear.
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Posted By: <b>ramram</b><p>Do you think he really ever planned on selling it? I think any sales in this auction format, on the B/S/T, should include the winner's name. Otherwise, people could phish all the time.<br /><br />Rob M.
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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I understand your sentiment but I think it will do a disservice to the folks that do want to do a high end auction on the BST if we mandate the winner be known. The winner of my N167 is a fairly private person and I would never out him. Many know who won it but I just don't think it's a good idea mandating winners be known...from where my head is on the matter today. ALso, I know Dave S. had a higher end auction too and I am pretty sure it went real well. I think it also goes back to trusting the seller/auctioneer. That "trust" has to be earned.....One last thing...>We have very few rules on the BST pages and I prefer to keep it that way.....Never hurts to give your opinion though and it is valued.....best regards
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