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Posted By: Jim RiveraI have 2 Joss pitching cards and they seem to have 2 different uniform colors. I just noticed this a few day ago. I have checked ebay and a few different sites. It appears both colors are easy to find. card on the left is a Sovereign 350 and the card on the right is a BroadLeaf 460. Is it just a color (red)missing or are there two different colors? <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1235782532.JPG" alt="[linked image]">

Posted By: barrysloateForget about the colors...a Broadleaf 460? From the scan it looks like a different shading, but not a different color.

Posted By: stefanyou got to show the back for that one. plz?

Posted By: Jim RiveraShould probably be a 40 but there is a small crease from his left bicep to his left sleeve and a bit a paper loss on the back that breaks the frame line.Still very nice 30. <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1235787042.JPG" alt="[linked image]"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1235787065.JPG" alt="[linked image]">

Posted By: AnonymousFabulous looking card, you lucky fella!!!! best, Barry

Posted By: stefanman u just don't see nice broadleaf 460's around. nice show Jim. i only wish i had one ive been hunting way too long now.

Posted By: dan mckeeGreat card Jim, where did you ever get a BL 460? LMAO <img src="" alt="<span">www.danmckee.com/pictures/types001.jpg>

Posted By: boxingcardmanI have a few cards like that. The ink started to run out during the print run. Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc

Posted By: Jim RiveraDan I think the seller darbys sold me a fake BL 460 Joss and I am trying to get ahold of him for a refund+++++LMAO

Posted By: Jim Riveralets see some joss scans

Posted By: Jeff D.Well here's another T206 (if you wanted to see some more color examples). This is a Tolstoi back: <img src="http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e109/JeffD27177/PC/Joss-t206-Tols.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> Not sure if you wanted to see some other Joss cards, but I never really noticed until tonight that the T206 pose is the exact same as the Turkey Red: <img src="http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e109/JeffD27177/PC/JossTurkeyRed.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> As seen together here: <img src="http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e109/JeffD27177/PC/JossinJoss.jpg" alt="[linked image]">

Posted By: Frank WakefieldHey Jeff D, I've never seen that overlay before for any T3/T206 combination. That's great!!! Might that be true for one of the Mathewson cards??? And any others??

Posted By: Mr.Mosesif I remember correctly and there ARE others. Will check when time permits as I'm slowly attacking the T206's..... I'm sure more advanced baseball collectors here will contribute?

Posted By: Jeff D.Yes. There are definitely others. Hughie Jennings is the easiest to spot, because it's such a unique pose: <img src="http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e109/JeffD27177/JenningsInJennings.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> It's clear that the detail of the artwork is much higher in the T3's, perhaps because there is so much more space. This is evident in the Cobb, which varies in quality, but the pose and general shape is the same: <img src="http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e109/JeffD27177/CobbT3.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> <img src="http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e109/JeffD27177/CobbinCobb.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> Cy Young requires a tilt, and again the detail isn't there in the T206, but it's clearly the same image: <img src="http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e109/JeffD27177/YoungT3.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> <img src="http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e109/JeffD27177/YoungInYoung.jpg" alt="[linked image]"> And then there's the Mathewson you were asking about. That's much more fun to view in movie form: (for longer viewing hit pause and use the slider to move back and forth) <embed width="448" height="361" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" src="http://s38.photobucket.com/flash/player.swf?file=http://vid38.photobucket.com/albums/e109/JeffD27177/matty.flv"> <img src="http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e109/JeffD27177/MathewsonIn2.jpg" alt="[linked image]">

Posted By: Frank WakefieldThat is great stuff... Cobb bat on shoulder Jennings dancing Joss ready to pitch Young bare hand Now you have both the dark cap and white cap Mathewson's there. My recollection was that the two cards were slightly different, that there was more difference than just the cap color. The T3 has a white cap?? I'm curious about whether there are more T206s that overlay with T3s. And then, are those T206s all from a certain series? Thanks for the posts, Jeff.

Posted By: Craig DJeff, Great job with the overlays! Very nice. On my T3 website (www.t3turkeyred.com), I have a page entitled "T206 Connection", where I noted the long list of T206s which have "partners" in T3. Sorry for not updating the site lately. Can anyone else suggest additions? Happy Collecting, Craig

Posted By: Brian T.Love the overlay presentation! Thanks for the demo.