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Posted By: <b>steve</b><p>Interesting discussion - most under rated team of all time.<br /><br />My picks:<br /><br />1B McCovey<br />2B Lajoie<br />3B E. Mathews<br />SS A. Vaughn<br />C Campanella<br />OF Musial<br />OF F. Robinson<br />CF Speaker<br />P Grover Alexander<br />P Hubbell<br />P Feller<br />P Marichal<br /><br />What are you folks' picks?<br /><br />steve
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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>The 2008 Detroit Tigers!<br /><br /><br /><img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14>
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Posted By: <b>David Smith</b><p>Has to be the New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox.<br /><br />I mean, nobody EVER talks about them, ESPN and Fox NEVER televise their Games and Sports Center and Baseball Tonight NEVER shows their highlights.<br /><br />As a baseball fan, I think THAT is what America NEEDS; MORE coverage of the Yankees and Red Sox because, gosh darn it, there just isn't enough right now.<br /><br /><br /><br />NOT!!!!!
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Posted By: <b>dennis</b><p>i do understand what you are saying but all your guys (except vaughn) are 1st tier hall of famers.i don't think anyone would deny these guys their place in immortality. <br />how about these guys<br />cather bill freehan all star catcher from 1963 thru 1973<br />ist base dick allen <br />2nd base joe gordon lost 3 years to war<br />ss alan trammel lost in the ripken/arod/jeter love fest<br />3rd base ron santo was disliked during his playing days by his contempories<br />lf jim rice most feared hitter during his career <br />cf dale murphy lost power just as the steroid era began<br />rf minnie minoso 5 tool player who played in mlb after his prime years<br />p denny mclain 2 cy youngs and 2 pitcher of the year awards by age 25 & 100 wins<br />p allie reynolds<br />p wes farrel 6 x 20 game winner best hitting pitcher ever?<br />p pilly pierce best lefty in AL besides w.ford in the 50s
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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>sorry Dennis, but i have to disagree...IMO, the ONLY "first tier" HOFers i see on his list are:<br /><br /><br />2B Lajoie<br />OF Musial<br />OF F. Robinson<br />CF Speaker<br />
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Posted By: <b>Shawn Chambers</b><p>Wait, G. Alexander NOT a first tier HOF'er? Wow, 373 career wins AND a .642 w/l % ...old Pete is spinning in his whiskey bottle! I can agree that a few are NOT first tier, but leaving Alexander out is criminal!
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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>totally agree...i glanced over the list too fast and didn't even see him.
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Posted By: <b>Jason L</b><p>can't see how they would be considered under-rated, nor anything but 1st tier...<br /><br />I don't think an Under-rated list can have any HOFers on it, to be honest. The fact that they made it into the Hall means they were recognized.<br />You can have over-rated HOFers, but not Under-rated HOFers.<br /><br />There's no way that Nap Lajoie could ever be considered to be under-rated. In his time, he was so popular that they named the team and the dog mascot after him!
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Posted By: <b>dennis</b><p>you new yorkers are a tough crowd!! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>
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Posted By: <b>steve</b><p>Sorry, I didn't quite phrase the original topic properly.<br /><br />What I originally had in mind:<br /><br />List me your on-the-bubble first tier HOF'ers that have faded from popular discussion relative to their contemporaries.<br /><br />steve<br /><br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>That might be impossible for this crowd since we collect and study these players. Now it might be easy for some ordinary Joe to say that Napoleon Lajoie is underrated, but he certainly isn't amongst us.
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Posted By: <b>Bob Pomilla</b><p>Hornsby, Sisler.<br /><br />As per your clarification, Steve.
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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p> Pitchers B/T Ht Wt DOB <br /> 63 Rafael Betancourt<br /> 55 Fausto Carmona <br /> 58 Brendan Donnelly <br /> 57 Zach Jackson <br /> 30 Masahide Kobayashi<br /> 31 Cliff Lee <br /> 50 Jensen Lewis <br /> 49 Edward Mujica <br /> 53 Rafael Perez <br /> 27 Anthony Reyes <br /> 34 Juan Rincon <br /> 45 Jeremy Sowers <br /> Catchers <br /> 44 Sal Fasano <br /> 10 Kelly Shoppach <br /> Infielders <br /> 13 Asdrubal Cabrera<br /> 7 Jamey Carroll <br /> 25 Ryan Garko <br /> 26 Andy Gonzalez <br /> 15 Andy Marte <br /> 2 Jhonny Peralta <br /> Outfielders <br /> 17 Shin-Soo Choo <br /> 20 David Dellucci <br /> 12 Ben Francisco <br /> 38 Franklin Gutierrez <br /> 24 Grady Sizemore <br /> <br /> <br /><img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14>
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Posted By: <b>Rhett Yeakley</b><p>I agree that Arky Vaughan is a VERY underappreciated SS, even though he is a HOFer. His #'s are pretty strong when compared to the other HOF SS's (aside from that Wagner guy).<br />-Rhett
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Posted By: <b>Jason L</b><p>excellent choices in Hornsby and that other guy...you know, the one from the Turf ciggies card.
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Posted By: <b>howard</b><p>Starting w/the last couple of years of his career Eddie Matthews was and has remained terribly underrated. He retired as the greatest 3rd baseman in baseball history and yet had to wait ten years for his HOF induction.
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Posted By: <b>Andrew S.</b><p>P Don Gullett<br />C Joe Torre<br />1B Eddie Murray<br />2B Craig Biggio<br />SS Barry Larkin<br />3B Ron Santo<br />LF Chick Hafey<br />CF Vada Pinson<br />RF Ross Youngs
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Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>Most underrated:<br /><br />of Vada Pinson<br />of Tony Oliva<br />of Curt Flood<br />3b Billy Cox<br />ss Dave Concepcion<br />2b Roberto Alomar<br />1b Kent Hrbek<br />c John Roseboro<br />dh Turkey Mike Donlin<br />p Bert Blyleven<br />p Deacon Phillipe<br />p Eddie Cicotte<br />p Ed Reulbach
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Posted By: <b>Jodi Birkholm</b><p>Bob,<br /><br />Thanks for your selection of my personal all-time favorite player, Hoss Cox. I dare say that he is the <i>penultimate</i> in underrated post-war players (there truly is no question from a purely defensive standpoint, but he wasn't too shabby at the plate, either!).<br /><br /><br><br>Visit www.vintage-autographs.com for the hobby's finest selection of vintage baseball signatures.
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Posted By: <b>Stephen Mitchell</b><p>OF...Bob Johnson<br />OF...Doc Cramer<br />OF...Vada Pinson<br />3B...Stan Hack<br />SS...Cecil Travis, Alvin Dark<br />2B...Larry Doyle<br />1B...George Tioga Burns, Jack Fournier, Jake Daubert, Hal Trosky & Joe Judge (5-way tie)<br />C....Elston Howard<br />P....Wes Ferrell<br />P....Ed Reulbach<br />P....Bobby Mathews<br />RP...Lee Smith
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Posted By: <b>paulstratton</b><p>non-hof'ers<br /><br />C- Bill Freehan<br />1b- Darrell Evans<br />2b- Joe Gordon<br />3b- Dick Allen<br />SS- Barry Larkin<br />OF- Wally Berger<br />OF- Bob Veach<br />OF- Jim Rice<br />P- Old Jack Morris<br />P- Joe Wood<br />P- Bobby Mathews<br />P- Babe Ruth(only his pitching)<br />
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Posted By: <b>Mark</b><p>It will be interesting to see how Barry Larkin fares in the HOF voting, when his time comes. When compared to the shortstops of his day, he should be a no-brainer inductee. Plus, he has a World Series championship and MVP under his belt. Terrific fielder/team captain/leader as well... and he played his entire career for one team.<br /><br />Unfortunately he did not get much National acclaim in Cincinnati, and played most of his career concurrently with Ozzie Smith. I hope that doesn't hurt his chances. There are not a lot of other big names in his year of eligibility, so I'll remain hopeful.<br />
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Posted By: <b>Mark</b><p>If you limit it to pre-war players, I'd like to mention these fellows:<br /><br />c Earl Smith<br />1b Jack Fournier/ Stuffy McInnis<br />2b Larry Doyle<br />3b Heine Groh<br />ss Bill Dahlen<br />of Irish Meusel<br />of Carson Bigbee<br />of Bobby Veach<br />p Artie Nehf, Sam Leever
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Posted By: <b>Tim Newcomb</b><p>If Sisler is underrated, I'm Steve Dalkowski. You're talking about a singles-hitting base-stealing first baseman who never walked, in an era where whole teams hit .300-- He never won a pennant and was washed up in his early 30s. He was the Rod Carew of his era-- clearly a HOFer, but underrated????? That's insane to me. <br /><br />Hornsby has a better case to be made as maybe the best right-handed hitter in BB before 1940. But still, I find it hard to see how he is underrated..... everyone knows he is an A-list HOFer-- where's the underrating?<br /><br />I agree with the posters who commented that any HOFer is by definition not underrated--<br /><br />Some guys who were a heck of a lot better than many Hofers, yet not elected:<br /><br />Freehan<br />Mattingly<br />Whitaker & Larry Doyle<br />Trammell<br />Santo<br />Sherry Magee<br />Jimmy Sheckard<br /><br />PITCHERS:<br />Sam Leever<br />Billy Pierce <br />Wes Ferrell<br /><br />These are the true underrated.
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Posted By: <b>Mark</b><p>Tim,<br />I think you're under-rating Sisler, who is said to have been the best fielding first baseman of his era as well as a hitter for a spectacularly high average. And it isn't his fault that the Browns turned out to be the Browns. <br /><br /><br /><img src="http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x318/corsairs25/e121Sislerpsa4front_001.jpg">
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Posted By: <b>paulstratton</b><p>Sisler can't be all bad, he did go to Michigan. Lay off Tim.<img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> I wouldn't say he was underrated though. I would have put Trammell and Whitaker in there as well but I didn't want to seem like too much of a homer, even though I am.
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Posted By: <b>PC</b><p>I lost track of what the qualifications are for this list, but I'll add Ralph Kiner.
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Posted By: <b>Jodi Birkholm</b><p>Tim,<br /><br />Something tells me ol' Dalko, with his 60-70 I.Q., couldn't have constructed such a clever retort! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />You gotta love the fact that Dalkowski managed to kick his habit AND defy his projected life expectancy by more than a decade! It's such a shame that his alcoholism destroyed much of his memory. Now that he has dried out, it would have been the most opportune time for him to finally open up about what very well may be baseball's most interesting life story. He will always be on my "top three" list for favorites. <br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>Joe Drouillard</b><p>It is pretty tough to do this when you account for all the teams, but when you only consider the team that you have followed throughout the years it becomes possible. Here is my picks for most under-rated for the Yankees. <br /><br />1B Don Mattingly <br />2B Bobby Richardson<br />SS Frank Crosetti (Koenig had more power, but look how long the Crow was the anchor at short)<br />3B Graig Nettles<br />RF Roger Maris<br />CF Bernie Williams <br />LF Bob Meusel <br />C Elston Howard<br />RP Red Ruffing <br />LP Ron Guidry (Lopat a close second)<br />RP Sparky Lyle (Until this year it would have been the Goose, but he finally got his due)<br /><br />Manager Billy Martin<br /><br />Best wishes,<br /><br />Joe
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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>The name has been mentioned once in this thread:<br /><br />Jake Daubert<br /><br />
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