T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>Jeff S.</b><p>As many of you have probably noticed, Mastro has an ad on the back cover of the current Old Cardboard touting a PSA 5 T206 Wagner to be auctioned Aug. 1st. To my knowledge, this is the finest example to be publicly offered in years besides the Gretsky PSA 8. With that recent BVG 1 catching $317K+, any thoughts on whether this could break $1mill? It's a diamond cut, and noted as such with the (MC), but definitely a beaut. Nice to see a strong mid-grade for a change.<br /><br />I have no affiliation with the card, its owner, or the auction house whatsoever.<br />

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>Tony Andrea</b><p>No doubt, that card will break the $1 million dollar barrier once the juice is factored in.<br />

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>I would be shocked if it did not break a million. My guess would be in the 1.3-1.5 range. But who knows with a card like this. It is the best to be offered in a long time. <br />JimB

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>Brian</b><p>Whoever buys it will surely be influential <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> I couldn't resist.<br /><br />I really like the look of this card. Its a beaut.<br />

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>John</b><p>I'll take the under I'll say 675k tops....unless Mastro has discovered the fuel surcharge??<br /><br /><br /><br />

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>Matt</b><p>Here is a listing of the other featured vintage card lots:<br /><br />• A 1915 E145-2 Cracker Jack #103 Joe Jackson – PSA NM 7;<br />• A 1923 Walter Mails Playing Card complete set (57) with box and instructions - #1 on the PSA Set Registry;<br />• A 1908 E102 “Set of 25” Ty Cobb from the Lionel Carter Collection – SGC 80 EX/MT 6;<br />• A 1917 E135 Collins-McCarthy #147 Babe Ruth – SGC 88 NM/MT 8 “1 of 1”;<br />• A 1914 H813 Boston Garter (Color) Tris Speaker – SGC Authentic;<br />• A 1933 Goudey Sports Kings complete uncut sheet (24 cards) featuring Ruth, Cobb, Thorpe and Grange;<br />• A 1962 Gehl’s Ice Cream Roger Maris “Gold Mine Pal” complete set;<br />• A 1950-51 “Toleteros” Josh Gibson – SGC 80 EX/NM 6;<br />• A 1933 Goudey complete uncut sheet (24 cards) featuring five Hall of Famers;<br />• A 1911 E137 Zeenut PCL Buck Weaver Rookie card – SGC 88 NM/MT 8 “1 of 1”;<br />• Collection of 1902-11 W600 Sporitng Life New York Yankees cabinets (16 different) including Chesbro, Keeler, Griffith and Chase;<br />• A 1911 D310 Pacific Coast Biscuit Buck Weaver Rookie card – SGC 60 EX 5 “1 of 1”;<br />• A 1952 Topps #261 Willie Mays – SGC 96 MINT 9 “1 of 1”;<br />• A 1953 Topps #82 Mickey Mantle – SGC 92 NM/MT+ 8.5;<br />• A 1933/34 Goudey #106 Napoleon Lajoie – PSA EX-MT 6;<br />• A 1937 O-Pee-Chee #118 Joe DiMaggio – PSA NM-MT 8;<br />• A 1910 D322 Tip Top Bread Honus Wagner – SGC 70 EX+ 5.5 “1 of 2”;<br />• A 1909-11 T206 White Border Ty Cobb, red portrait with “Ty Cobb” reverse – SGC 30 GD 2;<br />• A 1910 E90-2 American Caramel Pittsburgh Pirates – SGC-graded complete set (11);<br />• A 1911 T205 Gold Border R. Hoblitzell “No Stats” variation – PSA EX-MT 6 “1 of 3”;<br />• A 1909-11 T206 White Border framed near set (521) including “Magie” variation;<br />• A 1910 E125 American Caramel Die-Cuts Honus Wagner throwing – PSA EX-MT 6 “1 of 1”;<br />• A high grade 1953-1969 Topps baseball unopened wax packs run (17 different) – all GAI graded.

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>paulstratton</b><p>Anyone have a pic?

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>Tim</b><p>I bet this card goes for $1.6-$1.8 w/ BP. The number of buyers for a card like this are few obviously, but with nothing close to this card being listed recently I see it selling strong.

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>MikeU</b><p>Without seeing a scan, I say it will close under $1M ($925K). Leon - This hammer price would be a pretty cool board contest? <br /><br />Who is the consigner?

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>peter ullman</b><p>I will guess 1.15 million with juice.

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>Jeff W.</b><p>I am blown away that they are offering a near set 39/40 of N321's. Thats pretty incredible and I didn't think that a near set even existed!<br /><br />Jeff

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>JP</b><p>Does anyone know if the Ty Cobb with Ty Cobb back is the one with "J H" written in pen on the top of the back? Images anywhere?

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>What if some new influential collectors get involved? No telling what the price will be.<br /><br />crap, just noticed Brian beat me to it. <img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />I will estimate 1.5 million (picture Doctor Evil) dollars.

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>pas</b><p>appears some influential folks are getting out, as well as in

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>I would think Don Louchios would be a near certain and strong bidder. Likely the Dreiers are strong bidders. Perhaps Ireland and Spence as well as other "influential buyers".<br /><br />Price with juice around $1.5mm.

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p><br />Jim-<br /><br />If you decide to go after it, I'll chip in 2 g's.

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Dave,<br /><br />I'm just a poor boy is a less affluent town than Alpharetta--this is way out of my league.

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>Alan</b><p>I'm voting for Gary Cypress, if he doesn't own one yet.

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>paulstratton</b><p>...or maybe the owner downgraded and plans on pocketing a cool million after all is said and done.

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p><br />Well thats the bigger question for Jim and/or Bruce to find out. Which "shark" is it that is selling this Wagner and getting out? Or was this owned by one of these lucky fellows that found it in the barn?

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Is it appropriate to be naming names on a public chatboard? Maybe some or all of these collectors would prefer privacy.

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p><br />Barry...<br /><br />No, I really don't think it's appropriate. But, I don't think they could get a name either.

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Barry,<br /><br />By listing your sets on the PSA Set Registry makes it public. The names I am mentioning are not big surprises--its who anyone that is knowledgeable about what is going on in the hobby would come up with.<br /><br />Dave,<br /><br />I don't know who the seller is--Peter do you know?<br /><br />Jim

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Don't most people list on the registry with a pseudonym and not their real name? It may not matter, but these collectors might not read the board, and they may find out second hand that they are being discussed. It's a privacy and security issue, too.

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Most list their sets under their name or if the do not their real name ias widely known.<br /><br />All influential collectors I know list their sets with their names.

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Jim- fair enough, and that is one way to look at it.<br /><br />But none of these collectors posts on the board, that's all. Is it possible to have anonymity and have sets on the registry at the same time?<br /><br />Perhaps not, and maybe I am being too protective.

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p><br />For the love of all cards in high grade, snap out of it Jim. Your repeating yourself!

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>brock</b><p>Any one know if their is a back door to view the auction like last time.

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>I know--what am I thinking of?

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>Alan</b><p>Barry,<br /><br />With Gary Cypress - he has a museum in Los Angeles (?) and wants collectors to visit his museum.

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>...back door yet, which isn't surprising given that their last auction just ended last week. <br /><br />I think this Wagner is $1M easy. I'm going to say at least $2M with juice.<br><br>_ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ <u> </u> _ _ <br /><br />Visit <a href="http://www.t206collector.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.t206collector.com</a> for signed deadball card galleries, articles and more!

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Gary Cypres does have a museum, and his collection is well known.<br /><br />I just think there is something about naming names on a public chatboard that may cross the line.

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>Jason L</b><p><img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br />I was hoping to sneak in and cherry pick this one.<br /><br />Signed,<br />IC<br />("Influential" Collector)<br /><br />it's probably a fake anyway

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>Alan</b><p>Remember, there may not be a back door, because this card is part of their 2nd annual live auction at the ESPN zone Aug 1st in downtown Chicago (which I can't afford the $100 fee <img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14>)

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>pas</b><p>How many PSA 5 Wagners are there?

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>There are probably less than five Wagners known that would grade Excellent (I know I could look it up but I'm too lazy).<br /><br />There is also a raw one that would likely grade Excellent. It has already been posted on this board.

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>I can't remember, was the raw one at some point in Hal's hands?

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>Alan U</b><p>"PSA-unknown" category shows 1 PSA 5 with only the Gretzky 8 higher<br /><br />"PSA-Sweet Corp." shows 1 PSA 5Q with none higher<br />

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>peter ullman</b><p>hals was nowhere near ex.

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>pas</b><p>Hal's was an SGC 10.<br />Perhaps the PSA 5 is Bill's?

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>Alan</b><p>Wasn't Hal's sold last year at the Mastro live auction in Cleveland ?

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>Robert Klevens</b><p>I was the high bidder last year in Cleveland at $192,000. I am holding the card in the scan. It now belongs to a collector in Japan. It will be interesting to see what this card sells for.

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>Wow--good luck.

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>THe other PSA 5 is Scott Ireland's. It is listed on his T206 set in the set registry. I saw that one once before it was his and it is stunning.<br />JimB

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>Here is the PSA 5mc that is going on the auction block.<br />JimB<br /><br /><img src="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/7393/fridayjune2720082zi5.jpg"><br />

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>dstudeba</b><p>I agree Barry that naming those names on a public chatboard is inappropriate even if a large number of collectors know who they are.

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>Alan U</b><p>It seems like whenever I send a card in miscut like that it comes back as "Authentic"<br /><br />

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>1- only one who should name a name should be the person themselves. <br /><br />2- That is one nice card. Even though it is cut whopsided, bigtime. Agreed, it looks 'authentic'. Must be a hand cut one.<br /><br /><br />3- All of the influential collectors I know refrain from participating in any set registry, they don't use their own name, nor do they use some alias.

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Well, one of thwe most interesting things on this message board to me is who is doing what and who may do what--particularly at the high end and how that impacts the PSA Set Registry. I don't see anything wrong with it and many times I learn who is doing what. For example, I did not know who owned the Wagner PSA 5s. That is important information to me. Also this guy that apparently owns all the slabs and the guy from Janus. Fascinating!

T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
 

Posted By: <b>Ed Hans</b><p>A spectacular card, obviously; but a rather charitable five IMO.