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Show Us Your High Grade N172 Old Judges
Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>This is my only 8 in this set.<br /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1189983597.JPG">
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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>Front appearance is everything for me with N172s. I wonder if anyone can guess the grades of these.<br /><br /><img src="http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/1950/n172buckleycutht6.jpg"> <img src="http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/9634/n172darlingportraitcutzc4.jpg"> <img src="http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/3056/n172mattimorecutjt8.jpg">
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Jim B.- I'll guess the Darling is an SGC 20 (I once owned it).<br /><br />Jim C.- I have a 9 in my current auction. It's got your name written all over it! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> (well not literally all over it, then it wouldn't grade 9)
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Posted By: <b>joe</b><p>This is one of mine.<br /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1189989783.JPG"> <br><br>Ty Cobb, Spikes flying!
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Posted By: <b>Frank Evanov</b><p>I agree with JimB....those are likely all PSA 1's....great fronts, but back damage. I feel the same. I am happy with nice OJ fronts and don't look at the backs:<br /><br /><img src="http://images1.collectors.com/psa/set_registry/m514804/87radbourn.jpg"><br /><br /><img src="http://images1.collectors.com/psa/set_registry/m514804/87Galvin.jpg"><br><br>Frank
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Hi Frank,<br /><br />Did not know you collected Old Judges.<br /><br />Jim
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Posted By: <b>Kramer</b><p>Here are a couple PSA 6's that I have... I have a bunch of PSA 5's in my PSA Set Registry...<br /><br /><img src="http://images1.collectors.com/psa/set_registry/m775889/ALVORD.jpg" width=260 height=400><img src="http://images1.collectors.com/psa/set_registry/m775889/ESTERBROOK.jpg" width=260 height=400>
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Posted By: <b>Keith O'Leary</b><p><P>As said previously, numbers mean nothing, the image is everything with Old Judges</P><P><BR><FONT class=ftlargecontent><IMG src="http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f92/vwtdi55/temp_n172/n172darling007.jpg"><IMG src="http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f92/vwtdi55/temp_n172/n172_fogarty175.jpg"><IMG src="http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f92/vwtdi55/temp_n172/n172_clements174.jpg"><BR><IMG src="http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f92/vwtdi55/temp_n172/n172_myers065.jpg"><IMG src="http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f92/vwtdi55/temp_n172/n172_hines.jpg"><IMG src="http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f92/vwtdi55/temp_n172/n172_whitney_dog063.jpg"><FONT face=Verdana size=2> </FONT></FONT></P>
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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>Kieth,<br />Those images are striking.<br />JimB
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Posted By: <b>ockday</b><p>Sadly, no longer mine but this was always my favorite and most striking OJ I owned<br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1190047241.JPG">
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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>All the examples offered are terrific, which brings up an interesting question: what causes Old Judges, among other photographic issues, to fade? Exposure to light doesn't make sense, as the majority of survivors were kept in scrapbooks or cigar boxes and never saw much light at all. So were they light coming off the press, due to an overused negative? <br /><br />The same could be asked about pink Old Judges, which typically have poor images. What caused so many of them to have this flaw? Perhaps poor reaction to chemicals used during developement? Jay Miller once suggested the pinks were done deliberately, as an experiment, but I just don't know.
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Posted By: <b>Joe D.</b><p>Alan,<br /><br />That OJ is stunning!<br /><br />WOW!<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p><img src="http://www.luckeycards.com/personaln172comisky.jpg">
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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>Leon,<br />There are many cards I want from your collection, but that one is near the top of the list. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br />JimB
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Posted By: <b>Eric</b><p>Leon - nice Commy... beats the heck out of mine!<br /><br />This EMIL GEISS has a nice picture even though its only a PSA 3<br /><br /><img src="http://images1.collectors.com/psa/set_registry/m775889/COMISKEY.jpg" width=390 height=600><img src="http://images1.collectors.com/psa/set_registry/m775889/GEISS.jpg" width=390 height=600>
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Posted By: <b>JimCrandell</b><p>Not a high grade but one I thought would be at least a 7.<br /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1190070958.JPG">
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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1190071504.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1190071526.JPG">
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Posted By: <b>KRAMER</b><p>If anyone wants to see some more photos... <br />I have about 40 Old Judges in my PSA set registry... all with photos... a bunch of PSA 3's, 4's and 5's
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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p><img src="http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a47/zouraspm/galvin.jpg">
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Posted By: <b>Steve Murray</b><p>My contribution:<br /><br /><img src="http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g5/jacklitsch1/19th%20Century/McGuirePSA7.jpg">
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Posted By: <b>Ken W.</b><p>Single-Season Homerun King!<br /><br /><img src="http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s290/triwak/NedWilliamson.jpg">
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Posted By: <b>Bruce Babcock</b><p><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/uffda51/18871890n172oldjudge/N172%20Brouthers.jpg"> <img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/uffda51/18871890n172oldjudge/N172%20Van%20Haltren.jpg"><br /><br />The Brouthers is an SGC 40, apparently due to a small tobacco stain on the reverse. The Van Haltren is one of the rare pink OJs with a pretty good image.
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Posted By: <b>Fred Y</b><p>At one time I had 17 very nice OJ's---had them all graded by SGC.<br /><br />Gradually sold or traded them off and kept these 2 for last:<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.deadzoom.com/member/fyoung17/n172weber8f.jpg"><br /><br /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.deadzoom.com/member/fyoung17/n172and8f.jpg"><br /><br /><br /><br />Both were sold in 1 Lot in Lelands auction about 3 yrs ago--always wondered if someone on the Board ended up w/ them. I know several of the other 15 were bought from me by Board members several yrs back in EBay auctions---incl a few "7's".
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Posted By: <b>Kramer</b><p>FredY those are absolutely GORGEOUS...<br /><br />I had an SGC 84 / 7 UNCLE BILL ALVORD....<br /><br />unfortunately now its only a 6 after the cross to PSA
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Posted By: <b>Gilbert Maines</b><p>Kramer ~ how is the image on your Uncle Bill Alvord, is it as crisp and clear as those of Fred Y ? <br />Or is it similar to the PSA 6s which you showed previously?
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Posted By: <b>Fred C</b><p>High grade?<br /><br />I've seen enough OJs in 6 or 7 slabs that have nice sharp corners but poor images. Let's define "high grade" as the term applies to OJs. I'd take an OJ that has a crisp clear image which resides in a "2" holder over an OJ in a 7 or 8 holder that has a light image but razor sharp corners. <br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1191813171.JPG">
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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1190562296.JPG"> <br />I love the image contrast on this one
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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>Without referrence to any cards depicted in this thread, but have others noticed that both PSA and SGC seem to be much more tolerant on corners when grading N172s than with almost every other issue. Regularly I see cards graded 84/7 that would be 5s at best if they were T206s. I have also seen many 6's and 7's that have images that are so faded, one can hardly make them out. I think there need to be a serious rethinking of how to evaluate N172s by grading companies.<br />JimB
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Posted By: <b>Gilbert Maines</b><p>Both of them have a history of being unwilling to change when faced with a similar collectible: our earliest cents and half cents. These were manufactured under comparitively crude technology. Before electricity and during a time when each die was hand engraved. This coupled with an inconsistent supply of copper yielded a collectible which demands insightful criteria be established and employed.<br /><br />Their unwillingness to modify their techniques has resulted in them being ignored by the majority of the collectors in this area of numismatic specialization. I forcast the same occuring with OJs and similar issues.
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Posted By: <b>Fred C</b><p>Here's a low grade nice image of Radbourn. I'd take this over a PSA6 with a light image. The reason for a grade of "1" is because there is scrap book remnants on the back of the card. <br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1190607611.JPG">
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Posted By: <b>Joe_G.</b><p>I've posted these before, but what the heck. While there are other higher grade OJs, the Gypsy Queen & N173 Cabinet are highest graded by SGC (representing all 3 Goodwin & Co. sepia baseball issues).<br /><br /><CENTER><img src="http://www.sgccardregistry.com/images/cards/Item_168_1473_.jpg"></CENTER><br /><br /><CENTER><img src="http://www.sgccardregistry.com/images/cards/Item_168_1479_.jpg"></CENTER><br /><br /><CENTER><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1190624681.JPG"></CENTER><br /><br />Best Regards,<br />Joe Gonsowski
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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p><br />I just purchased this last week... to me this is a high grade example... BOTH nice corners and photo contrast!<br /><br /><img src="http://www.foodle.net/img/oj/silverflint.jpg">
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Posted By: <b>Jim Clarke</b><p>Here are a couple that are graded and some that should be graded.. No Krammer, they are NOT for trade.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1191809222.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1191809239.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1191809261.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1191809277.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1191809292.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1191809309.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1191809327.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1191809342.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1191809358.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1191809375.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1191809389.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1191809404.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1191809419.JPG">
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Posted By: <b>Jim Clarke</b><p>Here are a couple that are graded and some that should be graded.. No Krammer, they are NOT for trade.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1191809222.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1191809239.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1191809261.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1191809277.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1191809292.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1191809309.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1191809327.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1191809342.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1191809358.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1191809375.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1191809389.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1191809404.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1191809419.JPG">
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Posted By: <b>Joann</b><p>Jim,<br /><br />I'll give you an N172 Ganzel Fielding P-F plus an N29 Getzin PSA 1 for that Harry Wright. But you need to respond quickly - I won't hold this offer open forever, you know!<br /><br />Seriously, are you freaking kidding me with those? Wow. Nice cards.<br /><br />Joann
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Posted By: <b>Jim Clarke</b><p>Hey Joann,<br /><br />Would that be a fair trade? LOL This thread has many nice cards on it. Glad Joe posted another issue which opened the door for me to post different photos...<br /><br />
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Posted By: <b>Misunderestimated (Brian H.)</b><p> I buy OJs based on the subject and then appearance of the front. The scrapbook removal creates relative bargains I guess -- although getting a really nice looking card back with a "1" still feels bad...<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1191813481.JPG">
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Posted By: <b>Fred C</b><p> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1191814894.JPG">
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