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Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p>This is to Jim C, MVS, Brian W, and any of the rest that have PSA 8 or 9's or SGC equals....<br /><br />I'd be curious to know how many of your high grade T206 have backs other than Sweet Caporal or Piedmont?<br /><br />American Beauty<br />Broadleaf<br />Carolina Brights<br />Cycle<br />Drum<br />EPDG<br />Hindu <br />Lenox<br />Old Mill<br />Polar Bear<br />Sovereign<br />Tolstoi<br />Uzit

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Posted By: <b>Cobby33</b><p>Old Mill South PSA 8 (on eBay now).

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Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p>Even though it is a fairly common back...I'm curious if there are any Polar Bears in high grade. I would imagine with the loose tobacco and large amount of them that were stained it is going to be difficult to find any PSA 8 or 9's.

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Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p>Cobby, if the Old Mill is yours email me when you get a chance...question.

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>dave-<br /><br />i own a joss, pitching, PSA 7, sovereign<br /><br />i used to own a few PSA 8 old mills, and one PSA cycle.<br /><br />other than that, good luck, it is super tuff to find 8's & 9's in anything other than piedmont & sweet cap.<br /><br />polar bear, very tuff, i have a PSA 6, that's the highest i have seen personally.

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Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p>Is the PSA 6 totally free of any staining?

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>"totally free of any staining"? i'll have to check, but i remember that it looks clean for a polar bear...might have some light staining.

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Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p>I can't remember any T206's in PSA 8's or 9's that havent' been PD or SC for auction...other than a pretty rare SL'ger with Old Mill back..have to wonder at that point if even a American Beauty or Tolstoi would go for a premium..

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>An American Beauty PSA 8 just sold for $3,650, that is about $1000 more than common 8's are going for now...and i know someone with a PSA 8 Hindu (he wants around $7000+ for it)...<br /><br />bottom line is, yes premiums still apply at that level.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>Although not NM when I went looking for these it was very tough to find these in good shape much less free of staining. I consider these high-grade for these varations most are found in VG or less and have multiple stains. Don’t know if this answers your question…<br /><br /><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/ebay/websize/demmittper202.jpg"> <img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/ebay/websize/oharaper201.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p>Yes John...definately the best conditioned Polar Bears I've ever seen. These obviously don't belong in this category..but an example of two of my Polar Bears below and why I think high grade is near impossible....I think a Polar Bear PSA 8 should command a fairly large premium IMO. <br /><br />These are ugly...<br /><img src="http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l111/asphaltman76/T206%20set/mullenbig.jpg"><br /><img src="http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l111/asphaltman76/T206%20set/milliganbig.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>Nice looking cards not ugly at all, just the typical stains that riddle PB backs. I agree really clean PB backed cards should have an added boost. But most people consider PB common, so unless super high grade or Demmitt or O’hara I doubt we will see much of a premium for clean PB backs.<br /><br />I have also found Hindu backs tough to find clean and free of toning anyone else, or am I alone and just finding all the dirty ones LOL.<br />

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>John- those are some of the nicest looking PB's I have ever seen. Really clean....

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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>Wow John. Those are really nice.<br />JimB

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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>Thanks, Leon and Jim.<br /><br />Jim that means a lot coming from you the Mr. Mint of E93's I've spent more time eye balling your E93's on the net than I have looking at naked lady pics....which come to think of it is kinda of sad.....

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Naked ladies and E93's...what a combination!

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>hi, for some reason, the PB pics are not loading for me...can you try attaching them differently?<br /><br />MS

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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>John,<br />Thanks for the kind words about my E93s. As you can imagine, I am currently experiencing some Demmitt Envy right now. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br />JimB<br /><br /><img src="http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/268/t206demmittpsa1tp1.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>leon, someone else? can you guys take John's PBs and put them in a link? the images are NOT loading up for me <img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>Demmitt envy, LOL. More than likely has the same taste as E93 "Cherry Mint" Waddell envy. Or so I guess. <br /><br />Barry, as for naked ladies on the web that’s just the word on the street, could just be a rumor....<br /><br />Mike I could email them to you I guess? Cant understand why they wont load for ya.<br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Dave,<br /> I have 6's and 7's of almost every back but Drum. I have 6-7 8's with Old Mill, but they are all Southern Leaguers.<br /><br />Here are a couple of nice Hindu Southern Leaguers:<br /><img src="http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/17061369.jpg"><br />

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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>Wow nice cards Brian! Are you working the T206 set or collecting mostly backs etc? Anyhow very nice cards, thanks for showing them.<br />

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>john- my work computer sometimes does not let me load images...email sent, please send me scans to see. thanks.

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>dave, to clarify my first post from earlier...<br /><br />i have the following rare backs, ALL PSA graded.<br /><br />Drum 4<br />Uzit 3<br />Red Hindu 1 <br />Piedmont 42 3 <br />Lenox 3<br />Broad Leaf 350 3<br />Carolina Brights 3<br />Brown Hindu 3 (SL)<br />Tolstoi 5<br />EPDG 5<br />Am. Beauty 5<br />Cycle 5<br />Old Mill 5<br />Sovereign 5<br />Polar Bear 6<br />Sweet Caporal 7<br />Piedmont 8

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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>Email sent, <br /><br />At work??? Work's for suckers. <img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/smileys/143.gif">

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi John,<br /> Actually I broke up my set several years ago to focus on building the set back with as many rare backs as possible. So Southern League Hindu's are at the top of my list. I'm only missing 2 cards to complete the set.<br /> Be well Brian<br /><br /><br />PS I've bought and sold quite a few O'Hara and Demmitt's over the years, but haven't handled any as nice as those...

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>got them...wow, ok very nice polar bears! <br /><br />p.s. work? i sat at my desk all day and negotiated some deals for PSA 9 T206s... <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Michael,<br /> Instead of casual Friday, you had card buying Friday. How many 9's are you buying? lmk Brian<br /><br /><br /><br />PS Barry must have taken Friday off too... Is anyone in the Big Apple working today??? I know if the weather is bad that NEWMAN isn't...<br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>brian- i am actually in my real work office...<br /><br />just had a catch-up day, and was on the phone a few times about some 8's & 9's (actually selling them, not buying)...<br /><br />looking forward to our dinner in a few weeks.<br /><br />maybe i'll bring the PSA 10 (if i still own it by then) <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>peter ullman</b><p>This lenox is as high grade as my collection gets...it's a scg 60.<br /><br />pete in mn<br /><br /><img src="http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/ullmandds/lenoxfr.jpg"><br /><img src="http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/ullmandds/lenoxbk.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Brian- I don't actually work, I just do projects.<br /><br />And Newman doesn't deliver the mail when it rains. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Brian, have no fear -- I was hailing a cab at 4:30 am in the rain in NYC this morning on the way to work...<br /><br />Of all my 7s and 8s, I have a bunch of Sovereign but only one Cycle (Chase Throwing Dark Cap). Nothing else in a rare back at that level.

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Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p>Interesting...still no Polar Bears above a PSA 6?

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Posted By: <b>Mike Ellis</b><p>Dave, I have an SGC 80, Gavvy Cravath, Polar Bear 6. Mike

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Posted By: <b>George Dreher</b><p>I have about 40 of my T206 cards graded PSA-8 and own none graded higher than that. Here is the breakdown of the 40:<br /><br />Piedmont: 17<br />Sweet Caporal: 8<br />Old Mill: 6<br />Polar Bear: 4<br />Sovereign: 3<br />Tolstoi: 2 <br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p>Wow George....4 Polar Bear backs in an 8....that may not be able to be topped...and 2 Tolstoi's too boot.<br /><br />Which cards are the Polar Bears?

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Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p>George and Mike..if either of you have scans would love to see posted.

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Posted By: <b>George Dreher</b><p>They are at my bank in safe deposit. My inventory list indicates that the Polar Bear backs are: Dummy Taylor, Bob Hall, F. Smith Chicago Amer., and Moose McCormick

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Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p><br /><br />They are at my bank in safe deposit. <br /><br /><br />Well...can't blame you there...although I do think for insurance purposes I would at least get scans of each card front and back....can't be too careful especially with $2500+ cards...

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Posted By: <b>Dylan</b><p>Sometimes i'll see a mid grade polar bear for sale and it wont sell for much of a premium. I know there pretty common but considering how tough they are in even psa 4,5 range i think they should be valued more

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>dylan, i agree.<br /><br />i paid a premium recently for a PSA 5 PB ($175)...<br /><br />and i did get a PSA 6 also recently, but i have not seen anything higher...<br /><br />they are VERY tuff in high grade.

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Posted By: <b>Jay</b><p>I just looked through all of my cards and was very surprised at the lack of higher grade Polar Bears. In fact, all minus 2 exhibit the traditional staining etc. The other two are very clean, but are still in the VG-EX range because of other small problems.<br /><br />It makes sense to me that we are having trouble finding Polar Bear 7's and 8's, but since I have seen several clean PB's I bet they do exist.<br /><br />Also, what other cigarette companies sold scrap tobacco, and would have stained cards?<br /><br />Jay

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Posted By: <b>Jim Rivera</b><p>Pete<br />i have the same black Lenox and gave it to SGC today at the Reading show. I am hoping for at least a 60 and I think it may be a 70.I have a SGC 60 Oldring/Lenox and I hope the Abbaticchio beats it.<br /><br />As for other rare backs -I have SGC 70s of Carolina Brights, EPDG and Piedmont 42. Most of the others I have in 60s/5s with several Polar Bear 5s.<br />The best Drum I have is a 4.<br /><br />Most of these cards I got from ebay raw.

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Posted By: <b>peter ullman</b><p>great jim...I guess that card is the most common lenox back out there!!!!!!! good luck on the grade!<br /><br />pete in mn

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>hi jim, i have a PSA 4 DRUM also, is yours PSA too?

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Posted By: <b>Jim Rivera</b><p>MVSNYC<br />Drum<br />I have a PSA 4 Freeman and a SGC 40 Fiene and the others are not graded

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>jim- what value do you place on the PSA 4 DRUM?

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Posted By: <b>Jim Rivera</b><p>I think a SGC 40 sold in a major auction house for $2400 a few auctions ago. And a PSA 1 sold for about 1k not long ago.So I would think somewhere betweet 2 and 3k. But that is just my guess, it is very hard to tell with the T206 market it rises every day.<br />I saw a ungraded Drum at the Reading show priced at 1800 that would probably grade a 2 at best.Also there was a PSA 2 on the BST listed for 1800.

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>well, i think much higher, you just never see Drums graded higher than 2 or 3, so a 4 is a pretty tuff item (and i'm not just saying this to "promote" my Drum 4, because i have NO interest in selling it).<br /><br />my guess is about $1000 per number grade, i.e:<br /><br />Drum 1=$1000<br />Drum 2=$2000<br />Drum 3=$3000<br />Drum 4=$4000<br /><br />rough estimation...

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Posted By: <b>andy becker</b><p>i have a sgc 84 jack bliss with polar bear back. <br /><br />it's an amazing card, i can only imagine what the 8's look like.