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Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>Which of these would you keep?<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1172087009.JPG"> <br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1172087124.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>bigfish</b><p>I would keep the Ty Cobb back all day long. The Uzit 6 is nice but you can find another Uzit. You will have trouble finding another Cobb back. Just my 2 cents

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Posted By: <b>andy becker</b><p>hal, tough call....and a nice decision to have <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />i would keep the cobb/cobb.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Bobby Binder</b><p>I would keep the Ty Cobb back because there is only one card with that back. The UZIT back is much easier to find and purchase fi you are a back collector.

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Posted By: <b>Brian</b><p>the red.

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Posted By: <b>Jason Carota</b><p>Definitely the Cobb/Cobb.

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Hal,<br /><br />I'm generous, keep the Ty Cobb back, when are you sending the Uzit back to me. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Peter

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Posted By: <b>peter ullman</b><p>cobb squared...no contest.<br /><br />pete in mn

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Posted By: <b>Joe D.</b><p>cobb / cobb back.

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Posted By: <b>Mike</b><p>Ditto<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p>Cobb back every time IMO. <br /><br /><br />Also a question for whoever can answer...I just didn't want to post a whole thread for one dumb question...<br /><br />On Hal's Cobb with the Uzit back, is the PSA logo on the back the original looking label for PSA's? In other words is that one of the first graded by PSA? Just curious..I have one single card with the same back...and unfortunately I'm talking about the label back..not the card's back!

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Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p>Looking at it solely from a financial standpoint isn't the Cobb back worth maybe 10 times the Uzit? Even without the financials of it I would keep the Cobb/Cobb.

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Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>Well...<br /><br />you know how sometimes you can talk yourself into something that you KNOW is crazy?<br /><br />I think I had talked myself into thinking that the Uzit had the same "keeper" qualities as the Cobb/Cobb.<br /><br />Thanks for the "wake up call" slapping me back into reality!!<br /><br /><img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>Steve M.:<br /><br />A Cobb/Uzit in SGC 40 (PSA 3 equivalent) sold in the REA auction last year for $10,000 plus juice.<br /><br />Mine is much higher graded and is the highest-graded Cobb/Uzit... so you never know what some "big ego" guy might pay if he wants only the "best" card, etc.<br /><br />In all honesty... because my Cobb/Cobb is NOT the "best known" example... I truly don't know which card would sell for the most money.

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Hal,<br /><br />You've got a dilemma, but the way I would look at it is which card are you likely to be able to repurchase at some later date. The Cobb/Cobb you may never be able to buy again. It's a keeper.<br /><br />Peter

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Posted By: <b>Richard</b><p>Hal - the REA Uzit was an SGC 40.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Hal- that's a good point. I too was going to say keep the Cobb with Cobb back, but that one could be replaced down the road. If the Cobb with Uzit is the finest known, you are not likely to replace it. So I think the real question is: if you let either one go, will you regret it and want to buy it back?

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Posted By: <b>JK</b><p>Hal,<br /><br />Both are great cards. I would keep the cobb/cobb - despite a lower grade, I think you would have a much tougher time replacing it in any condition down the road and, it happens to look great for the condition its in.

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Posted By: <b>Mike</b><p>Sell your car... get a vespa and keep them both. It's the only logical solution.

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Posted By: <b>jP</b><p>Well since i dont own any Cobb T206 i would love to have them both. From what i have been learning and reading on the VBC looks like the Cobb back is the more scarce of the 2 but i guess if i had to pick 1 of those i would love to have the UZIT Cobb (im a sucker for nrmt graded cards)<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><img src="http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m95/obaks/ball.jpg"><br /><br />my collection: <a href="http://s102.photobucket.com/albums/m95/obaks/" target="_new" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://s102.photobucket.com/albums/m95/obaks/</a" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://s102.photobucket.com/albums/m95/obaks/</a</a>>

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>Hal- you own both? congrats!<br /><br />cobb/cobb is a card that is known to be one of the most important in the hobby...no brainer.<br /><br />BUT, if you decide the sell EITHER card, i would be interested in your asking prices. <br /><br />p.s. dave- that is the first generation PSA back (although it is a second generation front- the first gen front had old school computer type-face)...<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Anthony</b><p>Cobb/Cobb, no doubt.<br /><br />Is the Uzit the one that was discussed a lot on the FullCount board that BMW had, or was that another one?<br /><br /> Added to say- it was discussed only because of rarity and price, not any other reason.

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Posted By: <b>Darren</b><p>I'd keep the Cobb/Cobb if not only for its legendary status.

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Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>Not even a question in my mind. Condition rarity does not match actual rarity for me. I'd rather have a low grade card that has only a handful of known specimens than a high grade card with more known cards. <br /><br />But why not keep both and tell her to suck eggs? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>is that the cobb/uzit that BMW cards was trying to sell for the longest time?

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Posted By: <b>E, Daniel</b><p>So I'm going to go with the card I would enjoy looking at more.<br /><br />That Cobb/Cobb is butt ugly as far as my eyes can tell, and thats with all the squinting I have to do to make it out through its lack of register.<br />Only way I would ever like to have it displayed is back showing, and sure enough that would be special...<br />But the bat off is gorgeous (even if it's only really a '5' <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14>), front and back. I could look at that card all day long <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>.<br /><br />So I go with the bat off, sell the cobb/cobb, and buy myself the nicest t206 plank I can afford with the proceeds!<br /><br /><br />Daniel

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Cobb/Cobb.....although I do agree I think I like the overall way the Uzit looks more. Not even a question as to which one I would keep though....I always take rarity over most other factors....

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Consider this very recent sale......a MAGIE that had two diagonal corner "big bites" out<br /> of it....that went for 8K. Obviously, it was graded Authentic.<br /><br />In this crazy environment the Ty Cobb back wins every time.<br /><br />HAL....recall, Lifson's recent UZIT find and there will be more.<br /><br />However, correct me if I am wrong, but isn't there only 12 (or so) Red Cobb/Ty Cobb<br /> cards that have been found ?<br /><br />TED Z

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Posted By: <b>MW</b><p>Keep the Uzit Cobb. As far as I know, there are only 4 known and yours is the highest graded. There are about a dozen of the Ty Cobb brand tobacco Cobbs. I think the Cobb/Cobb is an easier card to acquire in that it appears more often in major auctions and comes up for private sale more frequently (we were just offered one two weeks ago). I also think it is somewhat over-rated as there are legitimate reasons to believe it was never intended to be part of the T206 Series. This might limit its appeal among future generations of T206 set (& variation) collectors.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I definitely agree that the Cobb/Cobb shouldn't be classified as a T206. It should be a T213-4, or some derivitive of a Coupon. You make a good point on the scarcity of the combination of the Cobb/Uzit but the Uzit back, in and of itself, is only scarce and not rare. The Cobb/Cobb is rare, imho. Thanks for chiming in. I have always thought you and your brother are some of the most knowledgable folks in the hobby. (now you can buy me a soda at the National <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>)....regards

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Posted By: <b>MW</b><p>Leon,<br /><br />Some good points. I think it all comes down to the collecting strategy of each hobbyist. For those who are searching for rare backs, the Ty Cobb brand is obviously tougher. But for Ty Cobb collectors, the Uzit is much more difficult to obtain. For me, condition would also be a factor. With only a few exceptions, I tend to assign greater weight to "condition scarcity" than "general scarcity" but that's only because I've been drinking too much of the kool aid.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Hal- I think this thread has served to make your decision even more difficult. I say keep them both, and if you have to sell something, find something else. These can't be the two worst cards in your collection. Sell some vending cases or rack packs...

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Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>I am trying to "pare down" to owning only ONE card of every "big time" HOF.<br /><br />Thus, I will be selling one of these at some point.<br /><br />I am no longer worried about owning cards of some of the lower end HOF.

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Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>sell your stash of 1989 Fleer Billy Ripken FF cards and varieties.....<br />

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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>I think it is a no-brainer. Keep the Cobb/Cobb back. It is one of the legendary cards in the hobby.<br /><br />Leon,<br /><br />A little shallack does not make it a Coupon (T213). If anything, it perhaps should be a T206-1. A promotional card inserted with tobacco by ATC between 1909-1911 is T206 according to the American Card Catalogue. <br /><br />JimB

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>Hal- email sent.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Michael = vulture <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> (we all are it's ok)<br /><br />JimB- C'mon now ..Cobb/Cobb....I would go for it being a whole seperate set more than it being a T206. But this is all relative. They are still great cards and someday I hope to have one....

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Posted By: <b>Jason L</b><p>the one with Ty Cobb on it...<img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>I have already told several nice people that any sale will be a public auction, but thanks for asking.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>hey Leon, at least i didn't break the board rules...i emailed him <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Cat</b><p>Sorry Hal!!! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />I sent my e-mail before I read your statement above.

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>Even if the Uzit was graded a psa 8 id still be inclined to take the cobb with cobb back. Even if the Uzit would see for more money, the mystique that surrounds the cobb w/cobb back and it being the only card with that back ever produced, well thats something quite special and unique to own. Uzit backs are much much more common, even if A high grade cobb uzit would be a 1 of 1 due to its high grade, there are so many more Uzit then Cobb backs, and plus the red portrait is a true classic

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Posted By: <b>MW</b><p>EcardCollector,<br /><br />A Uzit Cobb in a PSA 8 would be unprecedented and would properly be classified as one of the hobby's foremost scarcities. The proceeds from the sale of such a card could be used to purchase half a dozen Ty Cobb brand Cobbs.

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Posted By: <b>peter ullman</b><p>mw...are you high?<br /><br />pete in mn

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Posted By: <b>Richard</b><p>PSA 8 Uzit Cobb = Cobb back x 6 ?<br /><br />Wow. I don't think many would agree with this statement.

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Posted By: <b>MW</b><p>Pete,<br /><br />Most of the Ty Cobb brand Cobbs are in lesser grade and have recently been selling in the $25K to $30K range. A PSA 8 Uzit Cobb would <b><i>start</i></b> in the $100k range and might even sell for close to $200K...in my estimation at least. At any rate, who is to say since we're only dealing in hypotheticals.

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Posted By: <b>MW</b><p>Richard,<br /><br />You are correct but that's not what I'm arguing. I'm comparing the potential value of a PSA 8 Uzit Cobb to the most common condition Ty Cobb brand Cobb.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I think MW is pretty close. The average Cobb/Cobb is a little lower conditioned and they generally go for 25k-35k.....so 6x that would be pretty close on that Uzit....maybe. It certainly wouldn't be outrageous considering a nice HOF'er in an 8 holder gos for 7k-10k or more. I could see 150k to 200k for the hypothetical Cobb/Uzit in an 8 holder. I have seen much crazier stuff lately, relatively speaking. Just my opinion...but who knows....

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Posted By: <b>Richard</b><p>MW - you could very well be right.

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Posted By: <b>Sean</b><p>Hal,<br />Only if I had your problem <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />I would still keep the Cobb/Cobb back even if he has goofy blue eyes.<br /><br />Some day!<br />Sean BH