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Posted By: <b>Dave G</b><p>I think this photo card is suggested to be of Tris Speaker?<br /><br />Any verification?<br /><br /><img src="http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p263/Noblegb/Sports-1.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Al C.risafulli</b><p>That's the same photo depicted on the 1915 Susini (Cuban) issue. I bought one from Ryan Christoff at the National two years ago and I believe it's universally regarded to be Speaker, yes.<br /><br />At least I hope it is. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />-Al

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Posted By: <b>davidcycleback</b><p>Majority opinion has said it's Speaker, and I don't recall anyone adamantly arguing otherwise. I've looked at the pic close up, and it does resemble Speaker.

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Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p>David is this card from the same company with the infamous Sisler card that always shows up on ebay out of London?

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Posted By: <b>Dave G</b><p>Nope - the Speaker card is from R. & J. Hill, issued 1934.<br /><br />The "Sisler" card is from the Sports Records series issued by Boguslavsky in 1925<br /><br />One sold recently on Ebay<br /><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&sspagename=STRK%3AME DW%3AIT&viewitem=&item=330079724979&rd=1&rd=1" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&sspagename=STRK%3AME DW%3AIT&viewitem=&item=330079724979&rd=1&rd=1</a>

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Posted By: <b>fkw</b><p>Less than a month ago there was a post on the card pictured above.<br /><br />There are 2 different backs (not including the Susini).<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/message/1167661568/RJ+Hill+-+Tris+Speaker" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/message/1167661568/RJ+Hill+-+Tris+Speaker</a>

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Posted By: <b>Dave G</b><p>....<br /><br />According to the new version of the World Tobacco Issues Index there are three back varietes in the R & J HILL issues:<br /><br />A. titled "sports", numbered on front and back<br />B. titled "sports series", numbered on front only<br />C. without series title, numbered on front only<br /><br />B & C are scarcer than A.

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Posted By: <b>Rick</b><p>Its not clear its him.<br /><br />Could be...

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Posted By: <b>Clint</b><p>I wonder if this photo was taken during the World Tour of 1914. That jersey looks like the Chicago jersey that they wore. Can you tell if there is a flag on his sleave? Speaker and Crawford were on the Sox team and both batted lefthanded. I'll try and find out if any other lefthanders for Chicago played in London.

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Posted By: <b>Ryan Christoff</b><p>Isn't that Josh Gibson?<br /><br />In all seriousness, it is definitely Speaker and the image is from the World Tour as previously mentioned. He is indeed wearing the Chicago jersey with the flag on the sleeve. <br /><br />If you look closely at the field in the background you will see that the field actually appears to be a cricket field. <br /><br />Plus, only a Londoner would chalk right through the batter's box like that!<br /><br />-Ryan<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>fkw</b><p>Your right on the uniform<br /><br /><img src="http://members.aol.com/canofprimo/cuspeaker.jpg"><br />Speaker close up

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Posted By: <b>Clint</b><p>Frank that seals the deal now that I can see him up close. That's definately Speaker.

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Posted By: <b>fkw</b><p>What about this player......Red Murray??<br /><br /><img src="http://members.aol.com/canofprimo/cumurray.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Ryan Christoff</b><p>Frank, <br /><br />That's been my guess, but it's just a guess. I'm certain about Speaker. Not certain about that one. <br /><br />It's NOT Hornsby, though. It's usually Hornsby when someone has it for sale. <br /><br />Have we ruled out Josh Gibson?<br /><br />-Ryan<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>fkw</b><p>The T3 Murray is a similar pose as above, but its a drawing. Here is the best pic I could find of Murray. Red sure was a stocky guy and the bat is a log <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><img src="http://members.aol.com/canofprimo/redmurray.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Clint</b><p>Frank, just looked at the other thread and saw your cards. Are those postcards? The bottom one maybe from the World Series.

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Posted By: <b>fkw</b><p>They are ca.1915 Susini cards (N230-3 in the ACC) from Cuba. They are found B&W or with a color tint like the ones I have.<br /><br />The Speaker is the same picture as the card at top of the post, but Im not sure if the other 2 Susini cards are in the RJ Hill set.<br /><br />PS. In the N230-3 the "N" in the ACC is for "Central and South American Tobacco" cards, not 19th Century like today. So I call it NC230-3.