Lefty Grove Rookie
 

Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Guys,<br /><br />My favorite Lefty Grove card is #1 in the 1934 Diamond Stars, but which is his rookie card.<br /><br />Peter

Lefty Grove Rookie
 

Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>...card is his rookie card, then what is his 1933 Goudey card?

Lefty Grove Rookie
 

Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>T206,<br /><br />'34 Dismond Stars #1 is not his rookie card, it is just my favorite Lefty Grove card and it was issued towards the end of his career. So I'm asking you which is his rookie card.<br /><br />Peter

Lefty Grove Rookie
 

Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>...I have no idea. (-:

Lefty Grove Rookie
 

Posted By: <b>PC</b><p>There are several strip cards, postcards and die-cuts of Lefty issued in the late 1920s and early 1930s that pre-date the Diamond Stars and Goudey sets.<br /><br />This is a helpful site:<br /><br /><a href="http://members.aol.com/metsbwd/hofers.html" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://members.aol.com/metsbwd/hofers.html</a>

Lefty Grove Rookie
 

Posted By: <b>fkw</b><p>There are many Grove cards older than the Goudey or Diamond Star.<br /><br /><br />1926 Major League Die-cuts game card <br />1926-29 Postcard Back Exhibit<br />1927 W560 <br />1928 R315 <br />1928 Star Player Candy <br />1928-32 LaPresse<br />1929 Four-on-One Exhibit<br />1929 R316 Kashin <br />1929 Kashin Publications-Large Size <br />1929 Major League Die-cuts <br />1929 W553 <br />1929-30 Four-on-One Exhibits<br />1930 Baguer Chocolates <br />1930 W554 <br />1931 Sun Pictures <br />1931 W517<br />1931 W517 Mini<br />1931 W-Unc<br />1931-32 Four-on-One Exhibits<br />1932 R337 Eclipse Import<br />1932 PR3 Orbit Gum Pins Unnumbered <br />1932 R328 U.S. Caramel

Lefty Grove Rookie
 

Posted By: <b>Brad Green</b><p><br />I guess it depends on what your definition of a rookie card is. I think most people (including myself) consider his rookie card to be either his 1927 W560 or his 1926-29 Postcard-back Exhibit card. A few folks might consider his 1925 (or later) MLB Die Cuts card to also be his rookie card. At least one other person I know would consider his 1932 U. S. Caramel card to be his rookie card. The argument there is that the 1932 U. S. Caramel card was the first baseball card of Lefty that was issued with Lefty's name and statistics on the back of the card. Some have argued on this board that the U. S. Caramel's were really issued in 1933. If this is true, then all of Lefty's 1933 cards (Goudeys, DeLongs, etc...) could be viewed by some as his rookie cards. But, his 1934 Diamond Star card couldn't possibly be his rookie card because of all of the cards of Lefty issued in 1933.<br /><br />

Lefty Grove Rookie
 

Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>Lefty is also on a team card for the International Baltimore Orioles in 1924. A 1950s copy of this can be found affordably. This is a minor league team so it is not a rookie but worth mentioning.

Lefty Grove Rookie
 

Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1167948153.JPG"> <br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1167948224.JPG">

Lefty Grove Rookie
 

Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>Anyone have a die cut of Lefty???<br /><br />Frank

Lefty Grove Rookie
 

Posted By: <b>Brad Green</b><p>Notice two of them have "Grove" and two of them have "Groves". I think the Groves ones are older.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.bandkgreen.net/lefty_grove/card_pictures/1925_mlbdiecuts_grove.jpg"> <img src="http://www.bandkgreen.net/lefty_grove/card_pictures/1925_mlbdiecuts_groves.jpg">

Lefty Grove Rookie
 

Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Brad,<br /><br />Those die-cuts are very cool. Do you have any idea of the year they were distributed and how they were distributed.<br /><br />Peter

Lefty Grove Rookie
 

Posted By: <b>Brad Green</b><p><br />My opinion (for what it's worth) is that the "Groves" variation had to be around 1925 or 1926. Lefty was called Lefty GROVES in the minors (1920 to 1924), but just after he came to the majors in 1925 he was called Lefty GROVE. These die-cuts are the only cards of Lefty that have Lefty GROVES printed on it. The "Grove" variation could be anywhere between 1926/27 and 1930.

Lefty Grove Rookie
 

Posted By: <b>Rich Rubin</b><p><img src="http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q87/rubesman/LeftyGroves0117.jpg">

Lefty Grove Rookie
 

Posted By: <b>fkw</b><p>Rich, Thats a great item, is it a postcard? Or a larger premium?

Lefty Grove Rookie
 

Posted By: <b>Rich Rubin</b><p>I bought the card from Joe Bosley, a Baltimore dealer who used to set up at the National and Fort Washington (sometimes with Dan McKee and his father), and who died a few years ago (nicer they don't come). At the time, he had a full set of these cards for the 1921 Baltimore Orioles. He said that it was issued by Fisher's Bread. There's no indication of this on the card; the back is blank. The stock is thin for a premium. Danny McKee may have more information, and I recall he once said he had different information, and I'll prod him to post it.

Lefty Grove Rookie
 

Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>edited to run for my life!