T206 Murr'y variation
 

Posted By: <b>rob</b><p>I have a t206 question for those who are in the know. What is the story with the Murr'y variation? I looked it up in the t206 museum and it mentions it is indeed a variation and is only found with the Lenox back? Is this true, I have never really heard much about it, unlike the "nodgrss and shappe" variations that seem to pop up now and again. Is there a value on the Murray floating around?<br /><br />does anyone own one of them?<br />has anyone seen any of them graded, if so, what have the grades been?<br /><br />the t206 museum says there are only 5 in existence...

T206 Murr'y variation
 

Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>seems like the printing plate was damaged, much like "nodgrass"...a small piece of the top of the "A" in Murray is still visiable, and looks like an apostrophy (Barry-spelling?)...even though i owned an authentic "nodgrass" years ago (1st one graded by PSA, then later sold in Leland's)...i am NOT a huge fan of these "prinitng freaks"...and that is all they are...they are NOT recognized by most collectors (and grading companies) as actual cards needed to complete a set...they are very cool & rare, don't get me wrong...but i would rather pursue other cards, that's just me...

T206 Murr'y variation
 

Posted By: <b>rob</b><p>will grading companies grade them "normally"? In other words, will they only get an authentic, or will they receive the actual grade they are worth?

T206 Murr'y variation
 

Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>my nodgrass graded a "PSA 3" and was noted "nodgrass variation"...not sure if they recognize any other variations like that? i thinkthey grade sweeney, no "B" also...anyone elseshed some light on this?<br /><br />MS

T206 Murr'y variation
 

Posted By: <b>Martin Neal</b><p>I noticed a few months ago that PSA stopped listing the Shappe variation in their pop report. I am not sure what that means to the 4 that were previously graded as such. I have sent some "no B's" in to psa and they were graded as the regular cards even though they were listed as variations on the submission. I have been planing to call PSA to clarify their [position on these variations. Will post when I find out.

T206 Murr'y variation
 

Posted By: <b>rob</b><p>I'll try one bump to see if anyone has some insight into this variation from personal experience or has seen one along the way.

T206 Murr'y variation
 

Posted By: <b>Art M.</b><p>I have seen three of the T206 Murr'y, portrait variations over the years. All had Lenox backs. I believe that Alan Hager discovered this variation in the early 1990's.<br />Art<br /><br /><img src="http://members.aol.com/rebelsart2000/Murry.jpg"><br /><br />

T206 Murr'y variation
 

Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p><br />Which begs the question of whether ALL Murray (Portraits) with the Lenox back are of the Murr'y ilk ....

T206 Murr'y variation
 

Posted By: <b>Jim Rivera</b><p>Scot,<br /><br />I have a Murray in a SGC 40 holder and you can read his name clearly no variation.

T206 Murr'y variation
 

Posted By: <b>Jim Rivera</b><p><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1163724860.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1163724971.JPG">

T206 Murr'y variation
 

Posted By: <b>rob</b><p>I searched some old posts and it appears there was a Murr'y offered on ebay with an old mill back? Does anyone remember that auction? Have there been any other backs confirmed with this front?

T206 Murr'y variation
 

Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p><br />Jim,<br />Thanks for your visual answer to my query.<br />Scot

T206 Murr'y variation
 

Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>in response to scot, art m. and jim r., my Lenox Murray portr. is spelled Murray, no variation.<br /><br />all the best,<br /><br />Barry