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Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>The gaithering of data for a T206 Super Set has begun. I have received data from 4 other collectors and have started putting the data in my spreadsheet. Would like help from any and all. Just email me the front/back combinations from your collection. If you would like me to email the spreadsheet as it is now, just drop me an email. Lets fill up this spreadsheet. Thanks, Bill

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Posted By: <b>Ed McCollum</b><p>Guesing it is an Excel document?<br /><br />Thanks.<br /><br />Ed <br /><br />ed.mccollum@mosaicinfo.org

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Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p>I couldn't open the file. So that I'm straight on this Super set I don't suspect you need me to let you know that I have a Powers with a Piedmont 150 back. Right? You would want to know if I had a Powers with a Hindu back or a Delehanty with a Carolina Brights back, something like that. Right? Sorry if there has been more on this. I may have just been asleep. Steve

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Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>I just looked at the super set in progress and it's absolutely fascinating!<br />T206 scholars please send Bill Brown data re: your fronts/backs so that<br />the 'portrait' may become more complete.<br />Thus far 9 folks have sent their set data in; much more is needed.<br />Bill has done great work putting collating the research and is eager to<br />do more, thank goodness.<br /><br />all the best,<br /><br />Barry

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Posted By: <b>Bill,</b><p>Bill,<br /><br />Send me your email and I'll attach my set details.<br /><br />RayB<br /><br />aja4rayb@msn.com

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Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p><br />I just wanted to encourage everyone on this board to send Bill your T206 front/back combinations so that he can plug them into his T206 Super Set spreadsheet. Bill plugged in my front/back combos today and sent me an updated spreadsheet in about an hour. An amazing response time! Plus, for your troubles Bill will give you a cutting-edge T206 checklist in Excel format.<br /><br />Bill is doing the heavy lifting on this project by maintaining the spreadsheet and incorporating all of the reported front/back combinations. Please help him out by sending him your lists.<br /><br />Ted Z., Art M. -- guys like you are absolutely critical to the success of this effort. Please send Bill your front/back T206 holdings when you can.<br /><br />Thanks.<br /><br />Scot

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Posted By: <b>drew</b><p>Bill<br /><br />Any updates on the T206 spreadsheet?<br /><br><br>Drew

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Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>So far, 14 collected have sent me their data for the Super Set. Looking for many more to respond. Here is the data gaithered for each back:<br /><br />Piedmont 150 153<br />Sovereign 150 44<br />Sweet Caporal 150 Fac. 25 52<br />Sweet Caporal 150 Fac. 30 113<br />Sweet Caporal 150 Fac. 649 27<br /><br />American Beauty 350 Frame 78<br />American Beauty 350 No Frame 32<br />Broadleaf 350 20<br />Cycle 350 34<br />Drum 10<br />Piedmont 350 398<br />Sovereign 350 129<br />Sweet Caporal 350 Fac. 25 88<br />Sweet Caporal 350 Fac. 30 260<br /><br />American Beauty 460 16<br />Broadleaf 460 1<br />Cycle 460 27<br />Piedmont 350-460 Fac. 25 78<br />Piedmont 350-460 Fac. 42 15<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 25 20<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 30 39<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 42 17<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 42 OP 43<br /><br />Carolina Brights 48<br />El Principe De Gales 48<br />Brown Hindu 99<br />Black Lenox 11<br />Old Mill 72<br />Old Mill Southern 47<br />Polar Bear 137<br />Tolstoi 49<br />Uzit 8<br />Red Hindu 9<br />Brown Lenox 1<br />

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Posted By: <b>Joann</b><p>Just to clarify - are you looking for input from anyone that has T206's? I thought you were looking for some of the more unusual backs and/or combos, so I haven't responded because I didn't think I had anything to add.<br /><br />If you are looking for input on any and all T206's I'll shoot you an email.<br /><br />Joann

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Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>Here is the latest totals for the Super Set:<br /><br />Piedmont 150 153<br />Sovereign 150 57<br />Sweet Caporal 150 Fac. 25 70<br />Sweet Caporal 150 Fac. 30 129<br />Sweet Caporal 150 Fac. 649 29<br /><br />American Beauty 350 Frame 90<br />American Beauty 350 No Frame 32<br />Broadleaf 350 24<br />Cycle 350 60<br />Drum 11<br />Piedmont 350 419<br />Sovereign 350 138<br />Sweet Caporal 350 Fac. 25 107<br />Sweet Caporal 350 Fac. 30 284<br /><br />American Beauty 460 27<br />Broadleaf 460 1<br />Cycle 460 30<br />Piedmont 350-460 Fac. 25 86<br />Piedmont 350-460 Fac. 42 18<br />Sovereign 460 38<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 25 22<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 30 41<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 42 19<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 42 OP 53<br /><br />Carolina Brights 50<br />El Principe De Gales 56<br />Brown Hindu 110<br />Black Lenox 16<br />Old Mill 83<br />Old Mill Southern 48<br />Polar Bear 160<br />Tolstoi 54<br />Uzit 10<br />Red Hindu 10<br />Brown Lenox 1<br /><br />Let keep the data coming. Thanks, Bill<br />

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Posted By: <b>RayB</b><p>Bill,<br /><br />I sent a few of my new additions to your email.<br /><br />RayB

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Posted By: <b>Rick</b><p>so ...how many cards is it up to now?<br /><br />over 2000?

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Bill<br /><br />I just emailed you a list of 61 additional T206's that you can add to my<br />initial Spread Sheet data that I sent you. With these, you should have<br /> a total of 700+ unique T206 back inputs from me.<br /><br />T-Rex TED

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Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>Currently, I have input everybody that has emailed me (22 collectors) with their data. The total number of front/back combinations stands at 2996 different. Keep the data coming. Thanks, Bill

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Posted By: <b>Rick</b><p>damn ...how cool would that be?<br /><br />3000 cards all lined up ...amazing

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Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p><br />Considering how advanced the collectors are who have contributed data so far I am blown away that only 2 different Broadleaf 460s have surfaced.

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Posted By: <b>Lee Behrens</b><p>One thing when this is done there will certainly uncover some secrets about fronts and backs. <br /><br />Bill, Are you keeping track of the backs for each card received, or just filling in data where it is empty?<br /><br />I use to keep track of all the backs I had but never wrote down the fronts.<br /><br />Lee

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Posted By: <b>Zach S.</b><p>Bill,<br /><br />Sent you an email w/ the T206's that I have on hand. It's not much but it'll add to the set. I'll be able to add more when I get back home.<br /><br />Zach S.<br />zsmith@as39.navy.mil

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Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>Scot, i'm with you about the shock of seeing just one or two<br />broadleaf 460's,particularly when we compare with the Drum and Uzit<br />numbers.<br />I am getting more and more eager to see the SuperSet and <br /> how it adds to and illuminates your research as well as others.<br /><br />thanks much, Bill.<br /><br />barry<br />

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Guys,<br /> I have documented a lot more than 2 Broadleaf 460's, and even have scans of several dozen. There were 2 on EBAY in the last couple of months, and 3 in a recent auction. I will be happy to provide the info on all the 460's I know of. LMK Brian

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Barry A.<br /><br />How about the 2% representation of EPDG backs in this survey ? That is darn close<br /> to what your EPDG thread indicated. You have to love these Surveys on this Forum.<br />We should have more of them.<br /><br />Ted Z

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Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p><br />Ted,<br />I think the 2% EPDG representation in Bill's survey so far is totally in line with the 1% discussed in Barry's thread when one considers that Bill is not counting duplicates--most of which are surely Piedmont and Sweet Caporal.<br />Scot

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Posted By: <b>Drew</b><p><br /><br />Hi Guys,<br />I have documented a lot more than 2 Broadleaf 460's, and even have scans of several dozen. There were 2 on EBAY in the last couple of months, and 3 in a recent auction. I will be happy to provide the info on all the 460's I know of. LMK Brian <br /><br />Hi Brian<br />When you get a chance can you please provide the info on the Broadleaf 460's.<br /><br />Thank You<br /> <br><br>Drew

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Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p>Brian,<br />I thought you had Latham with Piedmont 460/42 and Jones (St. Louis) with Piedmont 350 and noticed these cards are not on Bill's list. Did you part with them recently?<br />Scot

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Scot,<br /> No I still have both cards. I sent Bill my Piedmont 42's, but haven't had a chance to send him the rest of my piedmont's. Besides, I was going to let Ted put all of his Piedmont's in and fill in the blanks. Be well Brian<br /><br /><br />PS Bill, send me an updated copy of the sheet and I will help fill in the blanks this weekend with my ungraded cards(including Jones Piedmont 350).

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Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>Thanks very much Ted and Scot for pointing out the<br />EPDG data. these surveys are great fun, particularly when<br />they corroborate our previous work and provide the potential for new discoveries.<br /><br />Brian, we're eager to see how you fill in the rest of the survey---and also eager to hear from the rest of the<br />T206 scholars.<br /><br /><br />best,<br /><br />barry

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Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>Here is the latest totals:<br /><br />Piedmont 150 154<br />Sovereign 150 74<br />Sweet Caporal 150 Fac. 25 88<br />Sweet Caporal 150 Fac. 30 136<br />Sweet Caporal 150 Fac. 649 30<br /><br />American Beauty 350 Frame 155<br />American Beauty 350 No Frame 34<br />Broadleaf 350 39<br />Cycle 350 77<br />Drum 14<br />Piedmont 350 427<br />Sovereign 350 171<br />Sweet Caporal 350 Fac. 25 146<br />Sweet Caporal 350 Fac. 30 332<br /><br />American Beauty 460 34<br />Broadleaf 460 4<br />Cycle 460 35<br />Piedmont 350-460 Fac. 25 95<br />Piedmont 350-460 Fac. 42 27<br />Sovereign 460 40<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 25 28<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 30 43<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 42 29<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 42 OP 71<br /><br />Carolina Brights 62<br />El Principe De Gales 80<br />Brown Hindu 116<br />Black Lenox 27<br />Old Mill 114<br />Old Mill Southern 48<br />Polar Bear 205<br />Tolstoi 76<br />Uzit 16<br />Red Hindu 20<br />Brown Lenox 1<br /><br />We keep talking about how long the total for EPDG is, but look at the total Tolstoi. Keep the data coming. Thanks, Bill<br />

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Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p><br />Bill,<br /><br />Thanks for the data. It might be more useful to represent the data as follows:<br /><br />Number found / Number possible<br /><br />For example, Sweet Cap 460/30 is only possible on the 48 460-only subjects and the six 350/460 superprints, so that could be represented as:<br /><br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 30: 43/54<br /><br />Just a suggestion.<br /><br />Scot<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>mike mullins</b><p>Hi Bill,<br /><br />I have sent you an email. Attached is an Excel file with all 192 of my T-206 cards. Hope it helps!<br /><br />They don't call it "The Monster" for nothing, huh? Someday...<br /><br />mm

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Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>So far there have been 29 collectors that have given me data for the "Super Set". As I was looking at the spreadsheet, I noticed that there were 10 fronts from the 150/350 series that only had data for the 150 series. Here is the list of 10 cards. <br /><br />Ames Hands at Chest<br />Dahlen Boston<br />Ewing<br />Ganley<br />Hinchman Cleveland<br />Lindaman<br />Mullin Throwing<br />Pastorius<br />Schulte Front View<br />Wilhelm Hands at Chest<br /><br />Today, a collector came up with a Wilhelm Hands at Chest (SC 350 back)<br /><br />Keep the data coming, thanks, Bill

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>BILL<br /><br />In the recent EPDG and 150/350 Survey Threads the following cards showed up<br /> with 350 backs......<br /><br />Dahlen....Ganley....Hinchman....Lindaman....Mulli n....Pastorius<br /><br />TED Z

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Posted By: <b>dd</b><p>Hey Bill,<br /><br />Check your email, I just sent T206 data from my collection,,,<br /><br />regards all,<br />darren

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Posted By: <b>Martin Neal</b><p>Hi Bill, <br /><br /> 450 plus front/back combinations in the mail. Thanks for the spreadsheet. <br />I was thinking that the rarer backs will be represented by a higher percentage in this survey than it's actual percentage in the general population. I think that many members of this board put an emphasis on the rarer backs. I (for the last 5 years) have tried to purchase as many Piedmont 350-460 factory 42s as possible. Maybe I am wrong and it will all even out in the end.

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Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p>Bill,<br /><br />It's great that the list of unique front back combos is over 3000.<br /><br />How may cards were submitted in total to get this? In other words, how many duplicates are there?<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>Dave,<br /><br />That is a good question, but unfortunately I did not keep track of how many cards each collector submitted to me. The "Super Set" currently stands at 3164 different front/back combinations. If I was to guess, the total number of cards submitted by collectors is around 15,000. Obviously there are a lot of duplicates with the Piedmonts and Sweet Caporal. If the collectors that already submitted to me, email me their total number of T206's I would be glad to add that to the spreadsheet. Still looking for data. You don't have to have a big collection to help the cause. Thanks, Bill

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Posted By: <b>Ed McCollum</b><p>Had 170 cards to go through to be able to contribute 36.<br /><br />Special thanks to Bill for all his work on this project.<br /><br />Ed<br />

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Bill<br /><br />Could you email me your latest up to date Spread Sheet. I'm acquiring more<br />T206's and I'd like to see if I can provide you some more inputs. However at<br /> the level of inputs that you presently have it will probably be tough.<br /><br />Ted Z......ccooney@princeton.edu<br />

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Posted By: <b>judson hamlin</b><p>Bill, I'm new to the forum- generally preferring to "fly below the radar" but my set is up to 499 cards and I have a broad variety of backs (only 83 Piedmonts), so let me know what you want. I've also (sporadically) kept records of the front/back combos on ebay/auctions/card shows since 1991 or so and would be willing to send some of that info as well.

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Posted By: <b>jackgoodman</b><p>Hi Bill, <br />Was wondering if you'll be providing an update on your totals to date. Thanks for undertaking this project.<br />

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Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>Here are the updated totals:<br /><br />Piedmont 150 154<br />Sovereign 150 80<br />Sweet Caporal 150 Fac. 25 95<br />Sweet Caporal 150 Fac. 30 139<br />Sweet Caporal 150 Fac. 649 31<br /><br />American Beauty 350 Frame 159<br />American Beauty 350 No Frame 34<br />Broadleaf 350 42<br />Cycle 350 81<br />Drum 14<br />Piedmont 350 431<br />Sovereign 350 178<br />Sweet Caporal 350 Fac. 25 153<br />Sweet Caporal 350 Fac. 30 335<br /><br />American Beauty 460 40<br />Broadleaf 460 4<br />Cycle 460 40<br />Piedmont 350-460 Fac. 25 96<br />Piedmont 350-460 Fac. 42 35<br />Sovereign 460 43<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 25 32<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 30 47<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 42 33<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 42 OP 74<br /><br />Carolina Brights 64<br />El Principe De Gales 91<br />Brown Hindu 118<br />Black Lenox 27<br />Old Mill 123<br />Old Mill Southern 48<br />Polar Bear 218<br />Tolstoi 83<br />Uzit 18<br />Red Hindu 20<br />Brown Lenox 1<br /><br />Keep sending in your data. Thanks, Bill<br />

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Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>Hey Bill, I've finally got my list completed, just over 500 of the little rascals... and sent it via email. Good luck with the tabulations, Frank.

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Posted By: <b>Louis Despres</b><p>Bill, please send me your email address and will forward the list I have. Thanks, Louis

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Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>Collectors are still sending in data for the Super Set. Here are the current totals:<br /><br />Piedmont 150 154<br />Sovereign 150 93<br />Sweet Caporal 150 Fac. 25 100<br />Sweet Caporal 150 Fac. 30 140<br />Sweet Caporal 150 Fac. 649 32<br /><br />American Beauty 350 Frame 163<br />American Beauty 350 No Frame 34<br />Broadleaf 350 47<br />Cycle 350 951<br />Drum 17<br />Piedmont 350 433<br />Sovereign 350 188<br />Sweet Caporal 350 Fac. 25 170<br />Sweet Caporal 350 Fac. 30 338<br /><br />American Beauty 460 42<br />Broadleaf 460 5<br />Cycle 460 44<br />Piedmont 350-460 Fac. 25 97<br />Piedmont 350-460 Fac. 42 37<br />Sovereign 460 46<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 25 35<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 30 47<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 42 33<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 42 OP 75<br /><br />Carolina Brights 68<br />El Principe De Gales 107<br />Brown Hindu 123<br />Black Lenox 28<br />Old Mill 139<br />Old Mill Southern 48<br />Polar Bear 226<br />Tolstoi 97<br />Uzit 198<br />Red Hindu 20<br />Brown Lenox 2<br /><br />TOTAL of 3342. 36 collectors contributing data. Thansk, Bill<br />

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p>Hi Bill,<br /> I think you made a mistake on the Uzit number, 198??? Be well Brian<br />

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Posted By: <b>Bill</b><p>Brian,<br /><br />Didn't I tell you I found over 100 Uzit's last week. That should have been 19, instead of 198. Thanks, Bill

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Bill,<br /> That's great!!!! Send me a Cobb and I'll be happy. Or a Matty, Or a Johnson, or any old Uzit. Thanks for your efforts Brian<br /><br /><br />PS Send me an updated list when you have time, and make sure when you send the Uzit it doesn't have a Military front.

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Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p>Here are Bill's current totals in relation to theoretical possibilities:<br /><br />Format: back #found/#possible(theoretical) = %complete<br /><br />Piedmont 150 154/156 = 98.7% <br />Sovereign 150 93/153 = 60.7% <br />Sweet Caporal 150 Fac. 25 100/155 = 64.5% <br />Sweet Caporal 150 Fac. 30 140/154 = 90.9% <br />Sweet Caporal 150 Fac. 649 32/35 = 91.4%<br /><br />American Beauty 350 Frame 163/213 = 76.5% <br />American Beauty 350 No Frame 34/56 = 60.7% <br />Broadleaf 350 47/214 = 22.0% <br />Cycle 350 95/214 = 44.4% <br />Drum 17/214 = 7.9% <br />Piedmont 350 433/462 = 93.7% <br />Sovereign 350 188/413 = 45.5%<br />Sweet Caporal 350 Fac. 25 170/413 = 41.2%<br />Sweet Caporal 350 Fac. 30 338/414 = 81.6%<br /><br />American Beauty 460 42/54 = 77.8%<br />Broadleaf 460 5/109 = 4.6%<br />Cycle 460 44/54 = 81.5%<br />Piedmont 350-460 Fac. 25 97/109 = 89.0%<br />Piedmont 350-460 Fac. 42 37/109 = 33.9%<br />Sovereign 460 46/54 = 85.2%<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 25 35/109 = 32.1%<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 30 47/54 = 87.0%<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 42 33/109 = 30.3%<br />Sweet Caporal 350-460 Fac. 42 OP 75/109 = 68.9%<br /><br />Carolina Brights 68/214 = 31.8%<br />El Principe De Gales 107/470 = 22.8%<br />Brown Hindu 123/190 = 64.7%<br />Black Lenox 28/109 = 25.7%<br />Old Mill 139/461 = 30.2%<br />Old Mill Southern 48/48 = 100%<br />Polar Bear 226/317 = 71.3%<br />Tolstoi 97/317 = 30.6%<br />Uzit 19/109 = 17.4%<br />Red Hindu 20/109 = 18.3%<br />Brown Lenox 2/109 = 1.8%<br /><br />As can be seen there is still a lot of work to do--especially on the tougher backs.<br /><br />Scot

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Posted By: <b>Lee Behrens</b><p>I think we have a bit of a problem with the Piedmont first theory. Look at almost all the card that have not showed up with a Pied mont 350, they have Sweet Cap backs, many Sweet cap only in 350. Were there actually 2 differrent offices handling the cards and distribution? Were there maybe regional additions?<br /><br />How far away was the factory for the Piedmaont cards from the Sweet Cap cards?<br /><br />Lee

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Lee B<br /><br />1st....They were all printed by Am. Litho Co. in NYC and then distributed to the<br />various Tobacco Co. in NY, VA, OHIO, NC, etc. to insert in their Cig. packs.<br /><br />2nd....If you carefully read my current Thread it explains why certain 150/350<br /> T206 cards with P350 backs are tougher to find. Also, if you are not convinced<br /> of my theory regarding Piedmont cards being produced 1st, then at least read<br /> Bill Heitman's comments on prior posts, as he agrees with me on this subject.<br /><br />T-Rex TED <br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Lee Behrens</b><p>Ted, I don't question theory but why all the Sweet cap 350 only's right now?<br /><br />The more we go through this set the questions that will arise.<br /><br />Lee