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Posted By: <b>scott ingold</b><p>The text states {Improvement of these flaws could easily render a higher grade if re-submitted }<br /><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/EXCEPTIONAL-1909-John-Hummel-T206-RED-HINDU-card-PSA_W0QQitemZ8704124826QQcategoryZ31718QQssPageNam eZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/EXCEPTIONAL-1909-John-Hummel-T206-RED-HINDU-card-PSA_W0QQitemZ8704124826QQcategoryZ31718QQssPageNam eZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem</a>

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Posted By: <b>identify7</b><p>Isn't card doctoring an accepted technology? Of course the cost effectiveness is improved if the card owner is the handyman for some of it. No?

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Posted By: <b>Judge Dred (Fred)</b><p>I suppose he means that if you were to crack the holder, remove the card, remove the paper remnant and clean the stain the card may come back as a 4 (or even higher). Sometimes those remnants come off pretty easy, but if they don't you're going to get stuck with a 1 or 2 (probably 2) because of the paper loss. If you were to wipe the stain clean with a little water then that really wouldn't count as altering the card. The use of chemicals may be frowned upon buy distilled water is usually acceptable. I suppose you could clean off the remnant and the stain and take your chances. Who knows, with the consistently inconsistent graders the card may come back as a 3 after all has been cleaned.

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Posted By: <b>scott ingold</b><p>Why did'nt the seller do this ?

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Posted By: <b>Brian Daniels</b><p>He is a board member and runs his own auctions of which some here participate Scott!

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Posted By: <b>scott ingold</b><p>If you were to buy this ( as i do buy hindu's ) would it be less than honerable to clean the card ? How do most come down on this ?

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Posted By: <b>Brian Daniels</b><p>on what you do or consider cleaning. if you take a nylon and rub it over a two dimensional fossilized bugger on the card that cracks off,I would say no one is going to have a problem with that.Distilled water,car wash,detergent,buffing and bondo-yes!

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>...were cards that I removed paper residue from before submitting to SGC. I used water and QTips and the techniques described on this board periodically. The highest grade I ever got was an SGC 70/5.5, with a card that had half of its back covered in paper -- it came off quite easily with no residue and dried perfect. Nice card!

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Posted By: <b>john/z28jd</b><p>You had your chance to buy this Scott,didnt you read the revised description where it said "This will be the final price reduction on this item before it is returned to long-term inventory. Thank you"<br /><br />That means this card wont show up for sale for at least another decade or maybe even longer because he said its going back into.....<a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-T206-John-Hummel-PSA-3-Scarce-RED-HINDU-back_W0QQitemZ8707630943QQcategoryZ31718QQssPageNa meZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-T206-John-Hummel-PSA-3-Scarce-RED-HINDU-back_W0QQitemZ8707630943QQcategoryZ31718QQssPageNa meZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem</a>

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Posted By: <b>scott ingold</b><p>John,<br /><br />Your correct, i should have pulled the trigger.Unfortunatly i did not. But hopefully it will come back up in a month or so when i am a bit more liquid.(still trying to recover from the fort show) But if not than i understand.<br />I have read many on the boards talk about removing stains from there cards but as of yet have not tried for fear of ruining what i already have. Actually i probably would not unless i was going to resell the card. Than I would give it a shot.

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Posted By: <b>pete</b><p>dropped to $650, nice card regardless of it's problems...sell off some of your lower end cards and buy it!<br />pete-<br><br>my best pitch was the one that made it to the plate!

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Posted By: <b>john/z28jd</b><p>Scott,i was just joking.If you check the link i included mid-sentence you will see what Pete just said,this card which was supposed to be back in a long term collection and reduced for the last time,was immediately relisted by the seller for significantly less.So if you can afford it now and you really want it then you did yourself a favor by not bidding

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Posted By: <b>scott ingold</b><p>ahh......okay. if i can sell some stuff i will do just that.

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Posted By: <b>scott ingold</b><p>I bit the bullet and will just be a pauper for a few weeks.

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Posted By: <b>robert a</b><p>I'll buy it at $250.<br /><br />Maybe next month?