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Posted By: <b>Anson</b><p>I know Kit has been around a long time and has dealt in a lot of raw stuff. But, I can't believe that this card isn't trimmed. The sides and corners look scissor cut. <br /><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-PHILADELPHIA-CARAMEL-E95-HONUS-WAGNER-GD-VG-VG_W0QQitemZ5243504175QQcategoryZ86840QQssPageName ZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-PHILADELPHIA-CARAMEL-E95-HONUS-WAGNER-GD-VG-VG_W0QQitemZ5243504175QQcategoryZ86840QQssPageName ZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting</a>

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Posted By: <b>Julie Vognar</b><p>from the top of his head to the top of the card, breaking the surface in one spot, about the size of a grain of salt. This was pointed out to me. About 6 months later, I noticed it was trimmed on all four sides...<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/jphotos/crbt.jpg"> <br /><br />You can't really tell from the scan, and I haven't a larger one. Traded it to Ben, from whom it was stolen.

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Posted By: <b>Sean Coe</b><p>Corners have been clipped without a doubt.

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Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>W600 on there FOREVER that had 1/2 inch cut all down the left side. Not even straight.....it was really wavy. In the text of the description, they said 'measures correctly'. I sent them an email and they reiterated 'measures correctly'. Lost all respect for them at that point. Haven't bought any of their G/VG cards since........

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Posted By: <b>Jim</b><p>I think the most telling sign of that clipjob is the fact that the card is not slabbed.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>John</b><p>GD-VG seems to be KY's catch-all for damaged and altered cards. I have been looking for a Wambsganss E220 for a while and called on the one that he has listed. I was thinking that a GD-VG might be a bit beat, but acceptable for my collection. The card was described to me as having a small spot of tape residue, that was the reason for the downgrade. I requested a scan, which was sent almost immediately. The small tape residue happened to be covering Bill's head which in my mind effectively and technically dropped the grade to poor. Glad I didn't jump on the BIN for the Washington Irving Wambsganss.

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Posted By: <b>Scott Forrest</b><p>KitYoung is not a card investor - they are trying to turn over cards and make money. They sell lots of un-slabbed cards - I know because I've bought plenty from them and they were all fine. But I hate to think (know, actually) that so many collectors on this board think that if a card isn't slabbed that it can't be trusted. In this case the Wagner is obviously trimmed.

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Posted By: <b>Judge Dred (Fred)</b><p>Kit Young is a figurehead. It's his company but I'm pretty sure that he isn't the one that sorts through the cards and creates the descriptions for the auctions. He has a staff of people that do that for him. <br /><br />I suppose the argument could be made that he should probably take more of an interest in this because it is his name that is associated with the card sales/auctions. <br /><br />There was a day when Kit was completely involved but that time has passed. The one thing I really liked about Kit's grading (way back when...) was that his highest grade seemed to be ExMt and in many cases the card you received was at least that. <br /><br />