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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Please email me privately at lluckey@amherst1.com or the link on the board which is leonl@flash.net thanks much

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Posted By: <b>leonl</b><p>Jewish Collector- quite honestly NOT emailing me is not an option if you care to continue to be able to post on this forum....thanks much<br /><br />edited...thanks Julie....is this a case of a black kettle? First nit and then this <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> <br /><br />edited once more to say that you might want to check your spelling when you are correcting someone's grammar, Julie....no biggie...just thought it apropos

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Posted By: <b>Julie</b><p>"Quite honestly, NOT e-mailing me is not an option.."<br /><br />I meant absolutely nothing by it but a correction. Don't know what the guy has done, or not done.<br /><br />And by the way, I think you're doing an increasingly good job of managing this board! Increasingly, your tone commands respect, and I like your loose handling-but-after-a-point-no-nonsense attitude.<br /><br />Edited: Leon, "correcf" for "correct" is NOT a spelling mistake, it's a typo..can't find any other of either.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>The gentleman known as Jewish Collector has emailed me privately and has agreed not to post confrontational or argumentative things anonymously. He, or anyone, can stay anonymous (unless the rules change which I don't foresee) until there is an issue.....<br /><br />Julie- a typo is still a spelling mistake but maybe not vice versa..it's the ole glass house thing....but you were correct in correcting me <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> What I had said didn't make sense until you pointed out my error and I corrected it....so thanks for that...

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>As a former college English teacher who taught a class in writing and who corrected a million bad essays (give or take) I would like to hereby anoint myself the title of Spelling and Grammar Cop. Leon could give me special access into everybody's posts and I could make all the necessary corrections, just like I did in my old college days. Then we can have a board free of errors and the sun will shine and the birds will sing and the world will be a better place for all.

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Posted By: <b>Jay Miller</b><p>Barry--You are in desperate need of a life.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Point well taken- also please note my response was a bit tongue-in-cheek. But I will say that everyone could take an extra minute to proofread a post before they submit- and I'll leave it at that.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>As soon as you learn the difference between "advice" and "advise" you can be crowned "King Of Spelling and Grammar". (just kidding as I have to get you on something) I think I would probably get about a B+, in this department, if I tried real hard ......

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I'm looking to see where I made that mistake. If it is true, I renounce my claim to spelling cop. Which post?

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Posted By: <b>Gilbert Maines</b><p>Not everyone subscribes to the grammatical, spelling and other communication standards imposed on us by the language authorities. This country is founded on freedom, particularly the freedom of expression. Further, since the purpose of language is communication, the exact format and content is immaterial (imho) so long as that objective is accomplished.<br /><br />The freedom to mistype deliberately and accidentally is an inalienable right inherent in the free thinkers typical encountered in our community. Similarly, the starting of a post in boxes entitled "your name", "message title" or anywhere else is a right, not a priveledge (that is, unless our UberMeister disagrees).<br /><br />Dare to be different.<br /><br />Ooops, I owe you an -ly

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>My main beef is that sometimes I read a post and to tell you the truth I can't understand what the poster is saying because he has not taken the time to organize his thoughts. Everyone is free to do as one pleases, but I assume that if you post something you do it so others will understand your point of view. Sometimes that becomes rather difficult.

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Posted By: <b>Josh A.</b><p>The importance of clarity and proper sentence structure have been underestimated in today's society. Would have to agree with Barry on this one. <br />When briefs are written poorly, without attention to grammar, the arguments are already lost.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Thanks Josh for getting my point. I've actually had several people ask me (they will remain anonymous)why people don't proofread before they post. Perhaps they are in a rush, or don't care, but I just think it's courteous and readers appreciate it. Maybe it's just my training, and I know not everyone agrees.

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Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>Barry, I try to proofread, I am just an idiot so I do not know any better. ook College English 4 times, finally got a C. Dan.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Not true Dan- you're a bright guy, and so is just about everyone who posts on this board. Some are just careless.

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Posted By: <b>Gilbert Maines</b><p>Barry - are your standards going to be as vague as those of PSA? Or do you feel grammatical expressionism is not subjective?<br /><br /> - a curious participle dangler

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Posted By: <b>vetekbob</b><p>I am sure that it doesnt make anyone no never mind as to how others may obliterate the kings english if you will, but I just wants everyone to know that I duz my bestest <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> I do fear though that my posting will at best receive a psa 1 <br />**disclaimer** Actually, I found these actual words on a letter in my grandfathers attic and the words looked genuine to me but I am no english major and since the words of this letter havent been officially graded by psa,sgc, or gai, this posting is being listed as a reprint due to posting regulations. If this posting should receive a psa 1 grade, I certainly would resubmit it as I feel I was robbed.<br /><br><br>basicgreatguy@hotmail.com

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Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>Barry knows that I,too,have taught at a university twenty years and<br />agree that grammar,syntax,syllogistic acumen are desperately needed in<br />our written communications.<br />Where we disagree is in our philosophical anthropology. I don't think<br />it is an easy area for most of humanity. Presently, I teach some of<br />the brightest physicians I've ever taught and have some terribly written<br />essays. <br />Still, I'd love for Barry Sloate's anthropology to be the correct one.<br /><br />all the best<br /><br />Barry Arnold

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Posted By: <b>PASJD</b><p>I believe, as did the great poet E.E. Cummings, that the world is full of too many people paying too much "attention to the syntax of things."

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I'm glad people are responding to this post and are having some fun with it, even if it is a bit at my expense. I just think it's nice to read something that's easy to understand. Likewise, I would assume if a poster had a choice he would prefer that he spelled correctly rather than incorrectly. After all, when one posts he expects others to read it and comment, so it might as well be clearly presented.

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Posted By: <b>vetekbob</b><p>I agree with you Barry. I know I could do better in trying to convey my thoughts when making a posting and it is good to see the witty banter and levity that is traded back and forth on here inbetween being serious about cards. <br><br>basicgreatguy@hotmail.com

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Bob- that's the spirit! Set a good example and others will follow. Then we can finally be considered the most literate chatboard around- and we all know how important that is.

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Posted By: <b>Julie</b><p>My typing is terrible, but correctable, but my spelling is and always will be bad. Only one of my professors in grad school lowered the garde on one of my papers because of the spelling mistakes...make of that what you will!<br /><br />I THINK being unable to spell--unless you've had no education--is like being tone-deaf...there's no cure. Am I just pessimistic? It seems to me to have to do with "hearing" words instead of "seeing" them. Who can hear an "ible" from an "able"? A "Ripken" from a "Ripkin"?<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/jphotos/BtobinAn001.jpg"> <br /><br />Why is this guy speaking English instead of American? Or were they closer together so recently?

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Posted By: <b>tbob</b><p>I hear or read so many grammatically impaired sentences every day, even in newspapers and on television and the radio because people have apparently forgotten everything they once learned in school about the correct usage (use?) of adverbs.<br />Just my 2 cents on a slow day unless you want to review Mike Wheat's 10,000 T206 listings on ebay...<br />Now I will gladly shut up and quickly end this post <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Scott Elkins</b><p>I believe Leon was correct in his statement. NOT e-mailing Leon was not an option if the person wanted to post again on the board. That certainly was not a double negative.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Scott- I suppose I could live with double negatives; at least you remember from school that they are incorrect, but there is worse. And Julie- I can say confidently that you are one of the brightest people on this board- after all, you are a docent, and a decent docent at that (please forgive me, but I've been meaning to say that for the longest time). But you do have typos galore- I bet if you spent a moment proofreading your posts could be perfect (oh boy, I'm going to get into trouble for this one, but I can take it).

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Posted By: <b>Rich Klein</b><p>But I might add to FAQ that for posters such as Alan who are new to the board that ID'ing oneself is very appreciated.<br /><br />I'm sure the college English Professors can add to the verbiage very effectively but this is just my opinion<br /><br />Rich

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Posted By: <b>Scott Forrest</b><p>(that the purpose of language is to communicate).<br /><br />We used to get hammered in school for starting sentences with prepositions, using contractions, etc., but teachers didn't take into account that language has been evolving since it's inception, and the reason has usually been to improve communication.<br /><br />IMO, a valid gripe is when we see pure simple laziness, either spoken or written - laziness usually detracts from the communication process. I also recommend getting a small abridged dictionary and keeping it near your computer - when in doubt, whip it out.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Scott- No question usage changes over time, and there are a good number of liberties one can take. And I use a dictionary too even when I post. Obviously, posting on the board is not like writing a dissertation, so people don't need to get too carried away. But I do think one should proofread before they hit the respond button.

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Posted By: <b>Julie Vognar</b><p>I corrected this to " Not e-mailing me is not an option..."&lt;br /&gt;He then corrected his original post.<br /><br />As far as I know, that's what it says now. I didn't know this was a grammar class, but what he wrote was wrong, and what I wrote was right, and he acknowledged it and corrected it.<br /><br />CAN WE QUIT THIS NOW?

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Posted By: <b>Scott Elkins</b><p>After all, you are the one who "turned this into a grammar class" correcting Leon. I must have missed Leon's first post before he corrected it. When I saw the post, there was nothing wrong with it - SORRY!!!!!!!!!

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Posted By: <b>Julie</b><p>But I don't think you can hold me responsible for the whole 30-post thread!

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Class dismissed.

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Posted By: <b>John J. Grillo</b><p>Wow...a whole thread dedicated to grammer. Doesn't get much more exciting than this. I am a college professor (albeit IT Engineering) and my English is terrible. I set a bad example for grammer in the classroom. You can blame me for the poor grammer of our youth if you want to, but for everyone else on the board...I say "lighten up" a little on the typos, bad grammer, poor spelling, or whatever the h--- you want to call it.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>D0n't m4k3 5t4rt u51ng d00d 5p33k<br /><br />J4y<br><br>I like to sit outside drink beer and yell at people. If I did this at home I would be arrested, so I go to baseball games and fit right in.

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Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>How about grammatical errors that bug us all on this board....<br /><br />I have a couple.....<br /><br />there, they're, their.......HUGE confusion<br />affect vs. effect.......HUGE confusion<br /><br />Not really grammar, just confusion by many.....<br />It's the NATIONAL, not the Nationals....no 'S', not a street rod show, it's a card show. Once per year, hence the name.......

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Tom is definitely on to something- my pet peeve on the board is "it's" and "its"- "its" is possessive, "it's" means "it is.". You can't use "it's" as belonging to something. See it all the time.

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Posted By: <b>Gilbert Maines</b><p>Yes, the object of this preposition is to make persons who are hesitant to offer input, further self consious about which gerund belongs in the pluperfect tense - for those of us who seek pluperfection.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Todd Schultz</b><p>A couple of mine that are spewed on the radio/tv.<br /><br />1. "I could care less" about this or that, when the speaker actually means to say he or she couldn't care less. To say you could care less implies you care to some degree now. <br /><br />2. This or that skill is a person's "forte" pronounced "fortay", when the proper pronunciation is "fort". The word is butchered so frequently that it likely will be adopted as correct some day, just as people now tend to turn any noun into a verb by adding a participle; e.g., networked, calendared, etc.<br /><br />3. My favorite--"We have a plutonic relationship". Well, it may be that the two of you worship the god of the underworld, but more likely you meant to say "platonic".<br /><br />I understand the comments about how language is supposed to serve as a means of communication, and that we should not feel inhibited from speaking for fear of criticism, but c'mon, taken to the extreme, maybe we should all just learn a series of grunts and groans to express ourselves. Is that evolution or devolution?

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>That's a good one- that means you either have an affection for the planet Pluto or the element plutonium. I agree to keep the whole subject light; but I think it's a courtesy to the reader to proofread before you post. That's really my whole point.

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>I used to have a plutonic relationship, but the money wasn't worth the headache. Nothing persoanl against nuclear power. I actually am in favor of developing fission power, but the headache and red tape involved in the current nuclear field is a nightmare, to say the least and not worth the money for me.<br /><br />Jay<br><br>I like to sit outside drink beer and yell at people. If I did this at home I would be arrested, so I go to baseball games and fit right in.

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>I would of <br />I should of<br />I could of

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Posted By: <b>Ben</b><p>It's not "definately" folks, nor is it "definitly" or "defanitely". <br /><br /><br />All together now, <b>DEFINITELY</b>!

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>You are definitely right at that. And "would've, should've, could've", of course. But I think you knew that already.

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Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>Is this accepted now as gramattically okay? I notice Barry started a sentence with both of those words in a post on this thread. I do it all the time, but I know that when I was in school this was not acceptable.<br /><br />Dan

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>That's a matter of usage. In an informal context such as this board, it's fine. If you were writing a term paper or dissertation, I wouldn't advise it. Sometimes even when I read the New York Times I see skilled writers using incomplete sentences. It's grammatically incorrect, but acceptable for some reason in the context it is being used. I think many rules are more lax today.

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Posted By: <b>Max Weder</b><p>My father was the spelling bee champion of Detroit sometime around 1930, went to many Tigers games, but never kept a scorebook or a baseball card from his youth. <br /><br />As for "forte", <a href="http://www.dictionary.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.dictionary.com</a> lists both pronunciations as acceptible, and I actually think forte would be the preferred pronunciation, given its Latin/Italian roots (if French, it would only deal with a feminine forte)<br /><br />Wondering why Americans pronounce "foyer" "foyer",<br /><br />Max

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>For the Fo-yeah<br /><img src="http://info.detnews.com/dn/history/hughie/images/dancin.gif">

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Posted By: <b>Julie</b><p>It's "between him and me," both being objects of the preposition "between."

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Correct- "he" and "I" are subjects, "him" and "me" are objects. Simple enough in theory, confusing when you are speaking.